Re: [zfs-discuss] 24-port SATA controller options?

2008-06-30 Thread Jacob Ritorto
I bought similar kit from them, but when I received the machine, uninstalled, I looked at the install manual for the Areca card and found that it's a manual driver add that is documented to _occasionally hang_ and you have to _kill it off manually_ if it does. I'm really not having that in a

Re: [zfs-discuss] 24-port SATA controller options?

2008-06-30 Thread Blake Irvin
Hmm. That's kind of sad. I grabbed the latest Areca drivers and haven't had a speck of trouble. Was the driver revision specified in the docs you read the latest one? Flash boot does seem nice in a way, since Solaris writes to the boot volume so seldom on a machine that has enough RAM to

Re: [zfs-discuss] 24-port SATA controller options?

2008-06-30 Thread Blake Irvin
This Areca card is Solaris Certified (so says the HCL) and not that expensive: http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/data/components/details/1179.html This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [zfs-discuss] 24-port SATA controller options?

2008-06-27 Thread Christophe Dupre
Hello Blake, did you end up purchasing this ? We're considering buying a SilMech K501 as our new fileserver with a pair of Areca controllers in JBOD mode. Any experience would be appreciated. Thanks, Christophe Dupre Blake Irvin wrote: The only supported controller I've found is the Areca

Re: [zfs-discuss] 24-port SATA controller options?

2008-06-27 Thread Blake Irvin
We are currently using the 2-port Areca card SilMech offers for boot, and 2 of the Supermicro/Marvell cards for our array. Silicon Mechanics gave us great support and burn-in testing for Solaris 10. Talk to a sales rep there and I don't think you will be disappointed. cheers, Blake This

Re: [zfs-discuss] 24-port SATA controller options?

2008-04-16 Thread Richard Elling
Jacob Ritorto wrote: Right, a nice depiction of the failure modes involved and their probabilities based on typical published mtbf of components and other arguments/caveats, please? Does anyone have the cycles to actually illustrate this or have urls to such studies? Yes, this is what I

Re: [zfs-discuss] 24-port SATA controller options?

2008-04-16 Thread David Magda
On Apr 15, 2008, at 13:18, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: ZFS raidz1 and raidz2 are NOT directly equivalent to RAID5 and RAID6 so the failure statistics would be different. Regardless, single disk failure in a raidz1 substantially increases the risk that something won't be recoverable if there is a

Re: [zfs-discuss] 24-port SATA controller options?

2008-04-16 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Wed, 16 Apr 2008, David Magda wrote: RAID5 and RAID6 rebuild the entire disk while raidz1 and raidz2 only rebuild existing data blocks so raidz1 and raidz2 are less likely to experience media failure if the pool is not full. While the failure statistics may be different, I think any

Re: [zfs-discuss] 24-port SATA controller options?

2008-04-15 Thread Brandon High
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 9:41 PM, Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sure you're already aware, but if not, 22 drives in a raid-6 is absolutely SUICIDE when using SATA disks. 12 disks is the upper end of what you want even with raid-6. The odds of you losing data in a 22 disk raid-6 is far too

Re: [zfs-discuss] 24-port SATA controller options?

2008-04-15 Thread Tim
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 10:09 AM, Maurice Volaski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have 16 disks in RAID 5 and I'm not worried. I'm sure you're already aware, but if not, 22 drives in a raid-6 is absolutely SUICIDE when using SATA disks. 12 disks is the upper end of what you want even with

Re: [zfs-discuss] 24-port SATA controller options?

2008-04-15 Thread Keith Bierman
On Apr 15, 2008, at 10:58 AM, Tim wrote: On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 10:09 AM, Maurice Volaski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have 16 disks in RAID 5 and I'm not worried. I'm sure you're already aware, but if not, 22 drives in a raid-6 is absolutely SUICIDE when using SATA disks. 12 disks is

Re: [zfs-discuss] 24-port SATA controller options?

2008-04-15 Thread Jacob Ritorto
Right, a nice depiction of the failure modes involved and their probabilities based on typical published mtbf of components and other arguments/caveats, please? Does anyone have the cycles to actually illustrate this or have urls to such studies? On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 1:03 PM, Keith Bierman

Re: [zfs-discuss] 24-port SATA controller options?

2008-04-15 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Tue, 15 Apr 2008, Keith Bierman wrote: Perhaps providing the computations rather than the conclusions would be more persuasive on a technical list ; No doubt. The computations depend considerably on the size of the disk drives involved. The odds of experiencing media failure on a

Re: [zfs-discuss] 24-port SATA controller options?

2008-04-15 Thread Tim
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 12:03 PM, Keith Bierman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 15, 2008, at 10:58 AM, Tim wrote: On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 10:09 AM, Maurice Volaski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have 16 disks in RAID 5 and I'm not worried. I'm sure you're already aware, but if not, 22

Re: [zfs-discuss] 24-port SATA controller options?

2008-04-15 Thread Maurice Volaski
Perhaps providing the computations rather than the conclusions would be more persuasive on a technical list ; 2 16-disk SATA arrays in RAID 5 2 16-disk SATA arrays in RAID 6 1 9-disk SATA array in RAID 5. 4 drive failures over 5 years. Of course, YMMV, especially if you drive drunk :-) --

Re: [zfs-discuss] 24-port SATA controller options?

2008-04-15 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Tue, 15 Apr 2008, Maurice Volaski wrote: 4 drive failures over 5 years. Of course, YMMV, especially if you drive drunk :-) Note that there is a difference between drive failure and media data loss. In a system which has been running fine for a while, the chance of a second drive failing

Re: [zfs-discuss] 24-port SATA controller options?

2008-04-15 Thread Luke Scharf
Maurice Volaski wrote: Perhaps providing the computations rather than the conclusions would be more persuasive on a technical list ; 2 16-disk SATA arrays in RAID 5 2 16-disk SATA arrays in RAID 6 1 9-disk SATA array in RAID 5. 4 drive failures over 5 years. Of course, YMMV,

Re: [zfs-discuss] 24-port SATA controller options?

2008-04-15 Thread Keith Bierman
On Apr 15, 2008, at 11:18 AM, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: On Tue, 15 Apr 2008, Keith Bierman wrote: Perhaps providing the computations rather than the conclusions would be more persuasive on a technical list ; No doubt. The computations depend considerably on the size of the disk drives

Re: [zfs-discuss] 24-port SATA controller options?

2008-04-15 Thread Jonathan Loran
Luke Scharf wrote: Maurice Volaski wrote: Perhaps providing the computations rather than the conclusions would be more persuasive on a technical list ; 2 16-disk SATA arrays in RAID 5 2 16-disk SATA arrays in RAID 6 1 9-disk SATA array in RAID 5. 4 drive failures over

Re: [zfs-discuss] 24-port SATA controller options?

2008-04-15 Thread Daniel Rock
Tim schrieb: I'm sure you're already aware, but if not, 22 drives in a raid-6 is absolutely SUICIDE when using SATA disks. 12 disks is the upper end of what you want even with raid-6. The odds of you losing data in a 22 disk raid-6 is far too great to be worth it if you care about your

Re: [zfs-discuss] 24-port SATA controller options?

2008-04-15 Thread Blake Irvin
Truly :) I was planning something like 3 pools concatenated. But we are only populating 12 bays at the moment. Blake This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [zfs-discuss] 24-port SATA controller options?

2008-04-15 Thread Richard Elling
Bob Friesenhahn wrote: On Tue, 15 Apr 2008, Maurice Volaski wrote: 4 drive failures over 5 years. Of course, YMMV, especially if you drive drunk :-) Note that there is a difference between drive failure and media data loss. In a system which has been running fine for a while, the

[zfs-discuss] 24-port SATA controller options?

2008-04-14 Thread Blake Irvin
The only supported controller I've found is the Areca ARC-1280ML. I want to put it in one of the 24-disk Supermicro chassis that Silicon Mechanics builds. Has anyone had success with this card and this kind of chassis/number of drives? cheers, Blake This message posted from opensolaris.org

Re: [zfs-discuss] 24-port SATA controller options?

2008-04-14 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Mon, 14 Apr 2008, Blake Irvin wrote: The only supported controller I've found is the Areca ARC-1280ML. I want to put it in one of the 24-disk Supermicro chassis that Silicon Mechanics builds. For obvious reasons (redundancy and throughput), it makes more sense to purchase two 12 port

Re: [zfs-discuss] 24-port SATA controller options?

2008-04-14 Thread Will Murnane
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 1:25 AM, Bob Friesenhahn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For obvious reasons (redundancy and throughput), it makes more sense to purchase two 12 port cards. I see that there is an option to populate more cache RAM. More RAM always helps ;) I would be interested to know

Re: [zfs-discuss] 24-port SATA controller options?

2008-04-14 Thread Tim
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 11:34 PM, Will Murnane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 1:25 AM, Bob Friesenhahn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For obvious reasons (redundancy and throughput), it makes more sense to purchase two 12 port cards. I see that there is an option to