Re: [zfs-discuss] Microsoft WinFS for ZFS?

2008-03-18 Thread Darren J Moffat
Richard Elling wrote: Orvar Korvar wrote: Ok, thanx for your answers! So, I guess there is no point in providing a database on top of ZFS, just as MS tried to do? A WinFS like thing on ZFS wouldnt be beneficial at all? Better off with plain ZFS? I don't think this is a simple

Re: [zfs-discuss] Microsoft WinFS for ZFS?

2008-03-18 Thread Orvar Korvar
Ok, here is lot of info and input. Thanx for sharing! I wonder, would it be possible for SUN to come up with a WinFS similar thing upon ZFS? A killer app for ZFS, making everyone wanting ZFS (everyone wants it already, but more is more)? I would like to see SUN did a database thingy a la

Re: [zfs-discuss] Microsoft WinFS for ZFS?

2008-03-18 Thread Mario Goebbels
Why would you build a complex database filesystem for searching through some pictures and word documents, or movies and songs? The answer is: you wouldn't. You'd do what everyone is already doing: provide a user app that indexes important files and lets you search them. Problem solved.

Re: [zfs-discuss] Microsoft WinFS for ZFS?

2008-03-18 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Tue, 18 Mar 2008, Orvar Korvar wrote: Just as ZFS makes NTFS look like crap, I would like SUN to make something that makes WinFS look like crap! :o) Would it be possible to utilize the unique functions ZFS has, to revolutionize again? What possible advantages could ZFS provide for the

Re: [zfs-discuss] Microsoft WinFS for ZFS?

2008-03-18 Thread Bryan Wagoner
WinFS sort of addresses the CAS needs of the home user Market. Sun is already working on the Enterprise CAS needs with Honeycomb (5800) programmable storage array. I believe they are moving the code base to ZFS. The database it uses for it's metadata and programmable schemas came out of a

[zfs-discuss] Microsoft WinFS for ZFS?

2008-03-17 Thread Orvar Korvar
Ive heard that WinFS is a filesystem that has some kind of database? I didnt understand the advantages because I havent read about it, but it is the best thing since sliced bread according to MS. My question is, because WinFS database is running on top of NTFS, could a similar thing be done

Re: [zfs-discuss] Microsoft WinFS for ZFS?

2008-03-17 Thread Mario Goebbels
Ive heard that WinFS is a filesystem that has some kind of database? I didnt understand the advantages because I havent read about it, but it is the best thing since sliced bread according to MS. My question is, because WinFS database is running on top of NTFS, could a similar thing be

Re: [zfs-discuss] Microsoft WinFS for ZFS?

2008-03-17 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Mon, 17 Mar 2008, Orvar Korvar wrote: My question is, because WinFS database is running on top of NTFS, could a similar thing be done for ZFS? Implement a database running on top of ZFS, that has similar functionality as WinFS? Object-oriented content management could be run on any sort

Re: [zfs-discuss] Microsoft WinFS for ZFS?

2008-03-17 Thread Richard Elling
Orvar Korvar wrote: Ok, thanx for your answers! So, I guess there is no point in providing a database on top of ZFS, just as MS tried to do? A WinFS like thing on ZFS wouldnt be beneficial at all? Better off with plain ZFS? I don't think this is a simple question. The way ZFS is

Re: [zfs-discuss] Microsoft WinFS for ZFS?

2008-03-17 Thread Bryan Wagoner
Actually, having a database on top of an FS is really useful. It's a Content Addressable Storage system.One of the problem home users have is that they are putting more and more of their lives in digital format. Users need a way to organize and search all that info in some sort of

Re: [zfs-discuss] Microsoft WinFS for ZFS?

2008-03-17 Thread Orvar Korvar
That sounds neat. Just like spotlight(?) search function for Mac OS X, but built into the DB on top the file system? Is fast searches the only advantage? Then, isnt there any spotlight search function for solaris? This message posted from opensolaris.org

Re: [zfs-discuss] Microsoft WinFS for ZFS?

2008-03-17 Thread Dick Davies
Have you ever used a Mac? HFS has had these features for years. On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 6:33 PM, Bryan Wagoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, having a database on top of an FS is really useful. It's a Content Addressable Storage system.One of the problem home users have is that they

Re: [zfs-discuss] Microsoft WinFS for ZFS?

2008-03-17 Thread Bryan Wagoner
So yeah, you just supported what I said about a database on top of a filesystem being useful because HFS uses a database type structure for it's catalog. It's an object based storage but the schema in HFS isn't as extensible as to what I'm referring to in future Content Addressable Storage