Re: [zfs-discuss] Pool Layout Advice Needed

2009-08-10 Thread Adam Sherman
On 9-Aug-09, at 3:50 , Erik Trimble wrote: Also, I'd recommend you not forget to remove the Swap and Dump volumes from the CF rpool. You could theoretically keep Dump, but, honestly, why bother. So, you could likely get a full install of OSOL on a 4GB CF card, and maybe even a 2GB card,

Re: [zfs-discuss] Pool Layout Advice Needed

2009-08-09 Thread Erik Trimble
Ian Collins wrote: Adam Sherman wrote: On 6-Aug-09, at 15:16 , Ian Collins wrote: This ended up being a costly mistake, the environment I ended up with didn't play well with Live Upgrade. So I suggest what ever you do, make sure you can create a new BE and boot into it before committing.

Re: [zfs-discuss] Pool Layout Advice Needed

2009-08-07 Thread Adam Sherman
On 6-Aug-09, at 11:32 , Thomas Burgess wrote: i've seen some people use usb sticks, and in practice it works on SOME machines. The biggest difference is that the bios has to allow for usb booting. Most of todays computers DO. Personally i like compact flash because it is fairly easy to

Re: [zfs-discuss] Pool Layout Advice Needed

2009-08-07 Thread Ian Collins
Adam Sherman wrote: On 6-Aug-09, at 15:16 , Ian Collins wrote: This ended up being a costly mistake, the environment I ended up with didn't play well with Live Upgrade. So I suggest what ever you do, make sure you can create a new BE and boot into it before committing. I assume this was

Re: [zfs-discuss] Pool Layout Advice Needed

2009-08-06 Thread Adam Sherman
On 4-Aug-09, at 16:54 , Ian Collins wrote: Use a CompactFlash card (the board has a slot) for root, 8 drives in raidz2 tank, backup the root regularly If booting/running from CompactFlash works, then I like this one. Backing up root should be trivial since you can back it up into your big

Re: [zfs-discuss] Pool Layout Advice Needed

2009-08-06 Thread Thomas Burgess
i've seen some people use usb sticks, and in practice it works on SOME machines. The biggest difference is that the bios has to allow for usb booting. Most of todays computers DO. Personally i like compact flash because it is fairly easy to use as a cheap alternative to a hard drive. I mirror

Re: [zfs-discuss] Pool Layout Advice Needed

2009-08-06 Thread Kyle McDonald
Adam Sherman wrote: On 6-Aug-09, at 11:32 , Thomas Burgess wrote: i've seen some people use usb sticks, and in practice it works on SOME machines. The biggest difference is that the bios has to allow for usb booting. Most of todays computers DO. Personally i like compact flash because it

Re: [zfs-discuss] Pool Layout Advice Needed

2009-08-06 Thread Adam Sherman
On 6-Aug-09, at 11:50 , Kyle McDonald wrote: i've seen some people use usb sticks, and in practice it works on SOME machines. The biggest difference is that the bios has to allow for usb booting. Most of todays computers DO. Personally i like compact flash because it is fairly easy to

Re: [zfs-discuss] Pool Layout Advice Needed

2009-08-06 Thread Thomas Burgess
i've seen these before, if i remember right, it has a jumper on it to set as a sort of onboard raid0 or raid1...i'm not sure it it has a jbod mode thoughpersoanlly i prefer the small single cf to sata adapters, you'd be surprised how thin they are, you can attatch them with screws or even hot

Re: [zfs-discuss] Pool Layout Advice Needed

2009-08-06 Thread Thomas Burgess
if it's this one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812186051 it works perfectly. I've used them on several machines. They just show up as sata drives. That unit also has a very tiny red led that lights upit's QUITE brightbut you likely won't see it if it's inside

Re: [zfs-discuss] Pool Layout Advice Needed

2009-08-06 Thread Kyle McDonald
Adam Sherman wrote: On 6-Aug-09, at 11:50 , Kyle McDonald wrote: i've seen some people use usb sticks, and in practice it works on SOME machines. The biggest difference is that the bios has to allow for usb booting. Most of todays computers DO. Personally i like compact flash because it is

Re: [zfs-discuss] Pool Layout Advice Needed

2009-08-06 Thread Thomas Burgess
I've had SOME problem with the ide ones in the past. It depends on the card you get with idethe sata ones tend to work regardless...I'm not saying not to use ide, i'm just saying you might have to research your cf cards if you do. not all ide-cf will boot. On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 11:59 AM,

Re: [zfs-discuss] Pool Layout Advice Needed

2009-08-06 Thread Ian Collins
Adam Sherman wrote: On 6-Aug-09, at 11:32 , Thomas Burgess wrote: i've seen some people use usb sticks, and in practice it works on SOME machines. The biggest difference is that the bios has to allow for usb booting. Most of todays computers DO. Personally i like compact flash because it

Re: [zfs-discuss] Pool Layout Advice Needed

2009-08-06 Thread Adam Sherman
Excellent advice, thans Ian. A. -- Adam Sherman +1.613.797.6819 On 2009-08-06, at 15:16, Ian Collins i...@ianshome.com wrote: Adam Sherman wrote: On 4-Aug-09, at 16:54 , Ian Collins wrote: Use a CompactFlash card (the board has a slot) for root, 8 drives in raidz2 tank, backup the root

Re: [zfs-discuss] Pool Layout Advice Needed

2009-08-06 Thread Ian Collins
Thomas Burgess wrote: that's strange...it works for me.at least the ones i've used have worked with opensolaris freebsd and linux. It just shows up as a normal sata drive. did you try more than one type of compactflash card? with the IDE unit, it was ALWAYS due to the cardmost of them

Re: [zfs-discuss] Pool Layout Advice Needed

2009-08-05 Thread Adam Sherman
On 5-Aug-09, at 0:14 , Thomas Burgess wrote: i boot from compact flash. it's not a big deal if you mirror it because you shouldn't be booting up very often. Also, they make these great compactflash to sata adapters so if yer motherboard has 2 open sata ports then you'll be golden there.

Re: [zfs-discuss] Pool Layout Advice Needed

2009-08-05 Thread Thomas Burgess
i would be VERY surprised if you couldn't fit these in there SOMEWHERE, the sata to compactflash adapter i got was about 1.75 inches across and very very thin, i was able to mount them side by side on top of the drive tray in my machine, you can easily make a bracket...i know a guy who used double

Re: [zfs-discuss] Pool Layout Advice Needed

2009-08-05 Thread Adam Sherman
On 5-Aug-09, at 12:07 , Thomas Burgess wrote: i would be VERY surprised if you couldn't fit these in there SOMEWHERE, the sata to compactflash adapter i got was about 1.75 inches across and very very thin, i was able to mount them side by side on top of the drive tray in my machine, you can

Re: [zfs-discuss] Pool Layout Advice Needed

2009-08-05 Thread Adam Sherman
On 5-Aug-09, at 12:21 , Bob Friesenhahn wrote: i would be VERY surprised if you couldn't fit these in there SOMEWHERE, the sata to compactflash adapter i got was about 1.75 inches across and very very thin, i was able to mount them side by side on top of the drive tray in my machine, you

Re: [zfs-discuss] Pool Layout Advice Needed

2009-08-05 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Wed, 5 Aug 2009, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: Quite a few computers still come with a legacy PCI slot. Are there PCI cards which act as a carrier for one or two CompactFlash devices and support system boot? For example, does this product work well with OpenSolaris? Can it work as a boot

Re: [zfs-discuss] Pool Layout Advice Needed

2009-08-05 Thread Chris Du
On 4-Aug-09, at 19:46 , Chris Du wrote: Yes Constellation, they also have sata version. CA$350 is way too high. It's CA$280 for SAS and CA$235 for SATA, 500GB in Vancouver. Wow, that is a much better price than I've seen: http://pricecanada.com/p.php/Seagate-Constellation-720

[zfs-discuss] Pool Layout Advice Needed

2009-08-04 Thread Adam Sherman
Hi All, I am about to setup a personal data server on some decent hardware (1u SuperServer, Xeon, LSI SAS controller, SAS backplane). Well at least, it's decent hardware to me. :) After reading Richard's blog post, I'm still a little unsure how to proceed. Details: - I have 8 drives

Re: [zfs-discuss] Pool Layout Advice Needed

2009-08-04 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Tue, 4 Aug 2009, Adam Sherman wrote: 4. Use a CompactFlash card (the board has a slot) for root, 8 drives in raidz2 tank, backup the root regularly If booting/running from CompactFlash works, then I like this one. Backing up root should be trivial since you can back it up into your big

Re: [zfs-discuss] Pool Layout Advice Needed

2009-08-04 Thread Chris Du
I'd create a mirror for rpool and the rest in another pool using raidz2. Another note, have you bought disks already? You may want to take a look at 2.5 SAS disks from Seagate as they are enterprise grade with different firmware for better error recovery. I know the SAS backplane is picky

Re: [zfs-discuss] Pool Layout Advice Needed

2009-08-04 Thread Ian Collins
Adam Sherman wrote: On 4-Aug-09, at 16:08 , Bob Friesenhahn wrote: On Tue, 4 Aug 2009, Adam Sherman wrote: 4. Use a CompactFlash card (the board has a slot) for root, 8 drives in raidz2 tank, backup the root regularly If booting/running from CompactFlash works, then I like this one. Backing

Re: [zfs-discuss] Pool Layout Advice Needed

2009-08-04 Thread Adam Sherman
On 4-Aug-09, at 16:18 , Chris Du wrote: Another note, have you bought disks already? You may want to take a look at 2.5 SAS disks from Seagate as they are enterprise grade with different firmware for better error recovery. I know the SAS backplane is picky sometimes. You may see disks

Re: [zfs-discuss] Pool Layout Advice Needed

2009-08-04 Thread Chris Du
Yes Constellation, they also have sata version. CA$350 is way too high. It's CA$280 for SAS and CA$235 for SATA, 500GB in Vancouver. If you already have the disks, then forget about it. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss

Re: [zfs-discuss] Pool Layout Advice Needed

2009-08-04 Thread Thomas Burgess
i boot from compact flash. it's not a big deal if you mirror it because you shouldn't be booting up very often. Also, they make these great compactflash to sata adapters so if yer motherboard has 2 open sata ports then you'll be golden there. On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 7:46 PM, Chris Du