Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss Digest, Vol 89, Issue 12

2013-03-18 Thread Kristoffer Sheather @ CloudCentral
: Petabyte pool? (Trey Palmer) -- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 08:23:07 -0400 From: Richard Yao r...@gentoo.org To: z...@lists.illumos.org Cc: zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] [zfs] Re: Petabyte pool

Re: [zfs-discuss] [zfs] Re: Petabyte pool?

2013-03-17 Thread Richard Yao
On 03/16/2013 12:57 AM, Richard Elling wrote: On Mar 15, 2013, at 6:09 PM, Marion Hakanson hakan...@ohsu.edu wrote: So, has anyone done this? Or come close to it? Thoughts, even if you haven't done it yourself? Don't forget about backups :-) -- richard Transferring 1 PB over a 10

Re: [zfs-discuss] [zfs] Re: Petabyte pool?

2013-03-17 Thread Trey Palmer
I know it's heresy these days, but given the I/O throughput you're looking for and the amount you're going to spend on disks, a T5-2 could make sense when they're released (I think) later this month. Crucial sells RAM they guarantee for use in SPARC T-series, and since you're at an edu the

Re: [zfs-discuss] [zfs] Petabyte pool?

2013-03-16 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Sat, 16 Mar 2013, Kristoffer Sheather @ CloudCentral wrote: Well, off the top of my head: 2 x Storage Heads, 4 x 10G, 256G RAM, 2 x Intel E5 CPU's 8 x 60-Bay JBOD's with 60 x 4TB SAS drives RAIDZ2 stripe over the 8 x JBOD's That should fit within 1 rack comfortably and provide 1 PB

Re: [zfs-discuss] [zfs] Petabyte pool?

2013-03-16 Thread Jim Klimov
On 2013-03-16 15:20, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: On Sat, 16 Mar 2013, Kristoffer Sheather @ CloudCentral wrote: Well, off the top of my head: 2 x Storage Heads, 4 x 10G, 256G RAM, 2 x Intel E5 CPU's 8 x 60-Bay JBOD's with 60 x 4TB SAS drives RAIDZ2 stripe over the 8 x JBOD's That should fit

Re: [zfs-discuss] [zfs] Petabyte pool?

2013-03-16 Thread Jim Klimov
On 2013-03-16 15:20, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: On Sat, 16 Mar 2013, Kristoffer Sheather @ CloudCentral wrote: Well, off the top of my head: 2 x Storage Heads, 4 x 10G, 256G RAM, 2 x Intel E5 CPU's 8 x 60-Bay JBOD's with 60 x 4TB SAS drives RAIDZ2 stripe over the 8 x JBOD's That should fit

Re: [zfs-discuss] [zfs] Petabyte pool?

2013-03-16 Thread Tim Cook
On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Jim Klimov jimkli...@cos.ru wrote: On 2013-03-16 15:20, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: On Sat, 16 Mar 2013, Kristoffer Sheather @ CloudCentral wrote: Well, off the top of my head: 2 x Storage Heads, 4 x 10G, 256G RAM, 2 x Intel E5 CPU's 8 x 60-Bay JBOD's with 60

Re: [zfs-discuss] [zfs] Petabyte pool?

2013-03-15 Thread Kristoffer Sheather @ CloudCentral
Well, off the top of my head: 2 x Storage Heads, 4 x 10G, 256G RAM, 2 x Intel E5 CPU's 8 x 60-Bay JBOD's with 60 x 4TB SAS drives RAIDZ2 stripe over the 8 x JBOD's That should fit within 1 rack comfortably and provide 1 PB storage.. Regards, Kristoffer Sheather Cloud Central Scale Your Data

Re: [zfs-discuss] [zfs] Petabyte pool?

2013-03-15 Thread Kristoffer Sheather @ CloudCentral
Actually, you could use 3TB drives and with a 6/8 RAIDZ2 stripe achieve 1080 TB usable. You'll also need 8-16 x SAS ports available on each storage head to provide redundant multi-pathed SAS connectivity to the JBOD's, recommend LSI 9207-8E's for those and Intel X520-DA2's for the 10G NIC's.

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Distro Advice

2013-03-05 Thread Robert Milkowski
We do the same for all of our legacy operating system backups. Take a snapshot then do an rsync and an excellent way of maintaining incremental backups for those. Magic rsync options used: -a --inplace --no-whole-file --delete-excluded This causes rsync to overwrite the file

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Distro Advice

2013-03-05 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Mon, 4 Mar 2013, Matthew Ahrens wrote: Magic rsync options used: -a --inplace --no-whole-file --delete-excluded This causes rsync to overwrite the file blocks in place rather than writing to a new temporary file first. As a result, zfs COW produces primitive deduplication of at least

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Distro Advice

2013-03-05 Thread David Magda
On Tue, March 5, 2013 10:02, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: Rsync does need to read files on the destination filesystem to see if they have changed. If the system has sufficient RAM (and/or L2ARC) then files may still be cached from the previous day's run. In most cases only a small subset of the

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Distro Advice

2013-03-05 Thread Russ Poyner
On 3/5/2013 9:40 AM, David Magda wrote: On Tue, March 5, 2013 10:02, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: Rsync does need to read files on the destination filesystem to see if they have changed. If the system has sufficient RAM (and/or L2ARC) then files may still be cached from the previous day's run. In

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Distro Advice

2013-03-05 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Tue, 5 Mar 2013, David Magda wrote: It's also possible to reduce the amount that rsync has to walk the entire file tree. Most folks simply do a rsync --options /my/source/ /the/dest/, but if you use zfs diff, and parse/feed the output of that to rsync, then the amount of thrashing can

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Distro Advice

2013-03-05 Thread Russ Poyner
On 3/5/2013 10:27 AM, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: On Tue, 5 Mar 2013, David Magda wrote: It's also possible to reduce the amount that rsync has to walk the entire file tree. Most folks simply do a rsync --options /my/source/ /the/dest/, but if you use zfs diff, and parse/feed the output of that to

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Distro Advice

2013-03-05 Thread David Magda
On Tue, March 5, 2013 11:17, Russ Poyner wrote: Your idea to use zfs diff to limit the need to stat the entire filesystem tree intrigues me. My current rsync backups are normally limited by this very factor. It takes longer to walk the filesystem tree than it does to transfer the new data.

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Distro Advice

2013-03-04 Thread Matthew Ahrens
On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 7:42 PM, Bob Friesenhahn bfrie...@simple.dallas.tx.us wrote: On Wed, 27 Feb 2013, Ian Collins wrote: I am finding that rsync with the right options (to directly block-overwrite) plus zfs snapshots is providing me with pretty amazing deduplication for backups without

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Distro Advice

2013-02-27 Thread Ahmed Kamal
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Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Distro Advice

2013-02-27 Thread Sašo Kiselkov
On 02/27/2013 12:32 PM, Ahmed Kamal wrote: How is the quality of the ZFS Linux port today? Is it comparable to Illumos or at least FreeBSD ? Can I trust production data to it ? Can't speak from personal experience, but a colleague of mine has been PPA builds on Ubuntu and has had, well, less

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Distro Advice

2013-02-27 Thread Dan Swartzendruber
:37 AM To: zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Distro Advice On 02/27/2013 12:32 PM, Ahmed Kamal wrote: How is the quality of the ZFS Linux port today? Is it comparable to Illumos or at least FreeBSD ? Can I trust production data to it ? Can't speak from personal experience

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Distro Advice

2013-02-27 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Wed, 27 Feb 2013, Ian Collins wrote: Magic rsync options used: -a --inplace --no-whole-file --delete-excluded This causes rsync to overwrite the file blocks in place rather than writing to a new temporary file first. As a result, zfs COW produces primitive deduplication of at least the

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Distro Advice

2013-02-27 Thread Tim Cook
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 2:57 AM, Dan Swartzendruber dswa...@druber.comwrote: I've been using it since rc13. It's been stable for me as long as you don't get into things like zvols and such... Then it definitely isn't at the level of FreeBSD, and personally I would not consider that

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Distro Advice

2013-02-27 Thread Dan Swartzendruber
On 2/27/2013 2:05 PM, Tim Cook wrote: On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 2:57 AM, Dan Swartzendruber dswa...@druber.com mailto:dswa...@druber.com wrote: I've been using it since rc13. It's been stable for me as long as you don't get into things like zvols and such... Then it

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Distro Advice

2013-02-26 Thread Tiernan OToole
Thanks all! I will check out FreeNAS and see what it can do... I will also check my RAID Card and see if it can work with JBOD... fingers crossed... The machine has a couple internal SATA ports (think there are 2, could be 4) so i was thinking of using those for boot disks and SSDs later... As a

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Distro Advice

2013-02-26 Thread Sašo Kiselkov
On 02/26/2013 09:33 AM, Tiernan OToole wrote: As a follow up question: Data Deduplication: The machine, to start, will have about 5Gb RAM. I read somewhere that 20TB storage would require about 8GB RAM, depending on block size... The typical wisdom is that 1TB of dedup'ed data = 1GB of RAM.

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Distro Advice

2013-02-26 Thread Tim Cook
On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 10:33 PM, Tiernan OToole lsmart...@gmail.comwrote: Thanks all! I will check out FreeNAS and see what it can do... I will also check my RAID Card and see if it can work with JBOD... fingers crossed... The machine has a couple internal SATA ports (think there are 2, could

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Distro Advice

2013-02-26 Thread Tiernan OToole
Thanks again lads. I will take all that info into advice, and will join that new group also! Thanks again! --Tiernan On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 8:44 AM, Tim Cook t...@cook.ms wrote: On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 10:33 PM, Tiernan OToole lsmart...@gmail.comwrote: Thanks all! I will check out

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Distro Advice

2013-02-26 Thread Robert Milkowski
Solaris 11.1 (free for non-prod use). From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Tiernan OToole Sent: 25 February 2013 14:58 To: zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org Subject: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Distro Advice Good morning all. My home

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs sata mirror slower than single disk

2013-02-26 Thread hagai
for what is worth.. I had the same problem and found the answer here - http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=27207 ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Distro Advice

2013-02-26 Thread Gary Driggs
On Feb 26, 2013, at 12:44 AM, Sašo Kiselkov wrote: I'd also recommend that you go and subscribe to z...@lists.illumos.org, since this list is going to get shut down by Oracle next month. Whose description still reads, everything ZFS running on illumos-based distributions. -Gary

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Distro Advice

2013-02-26 Thread Sašo Kiselkov
On 02/26/2013 03:51 PM, Gary Driggs wrote: On Feb 26, 2013, at 12:44 AM, Sašo Kiselkov wrote: I'd also recommend that you go and subscribe to z...@lists.illumos.org, since this list is going to get shut down by Oracle next month. Whose description still reads, everything ZFS running on

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Distro Advice

2013-02-26 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 06:51:08AM -0800, Gary Driggs wrote: On Feb 26, 2013, at 12:44 AM, Sašo Kiselkov wrote: I'd also recommend that you go and subscribe to z...@lists.illumos.org, since I can't seem to find this list. Do you have an URL for that? Mailman, hopefully? this list is going

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Distro Advice

2013-02-26 Thread Sašo Kiselkov
On 02/26/2013 05:57 PM, Eugen Leitl wrote: On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 06:51:08AM -0800, Gary Driggs wrote: On Feb 26, 2013, at 12:44 AM, Sašo Kiselkov wrote: I'd also recommend that you go and subscribe to z...@lists.illumos.org, since I can't seem to find this list. Do you have an URL for

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Distro Advice

2013-02-26 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 06:01:39PM +0100, Sašo Kiselkov wrote: On 02/26/2013 05:57 PM, Eugen Leitl wrote: On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 06:51:08AM -0800, Gary Driggs wrote: On Feb 26, 2013, at 12:44 AM, Sašo Kiselkov wrote: I'd also recommend that you go and subscribe to z...@lists.illumos.org,

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs sata mirror slower than single disk

2013-02-26 Thread Paul Kraus
Be careful when testing ZFS with ozone, I ran a bunch of stats many years ago that produced results that did not pass a basic sanity check. There was *something* about the ozone test data that ZFS either did not like or liked very much, depending on the specific test. I

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Distro Advice

2013-02-26 Thread Richard Elling
On Feb 26, 2013, at 12:33 AM, Tiernan OToole lsmart...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks all! I will check out FreeNAS and see what it can do... I will also check my RAID Card and see if it can work with JBOD... fingers crossed... The machine has a couple internal SATA ports (think there are 2, could

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Distro Advice

2013-02-26 Thread Ian Collins
Robert Milkowski wrote: Solaris 11.1 (free for non-prod use). But a ticking bomb if you use a cache device. -- Ian. ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Distro Advice

2013-02-26 Thread Robert Milkowski
Robert Milkowski wrote: Solaris 11.1 (free for non-prod use). But a ticking bomb if you use a cache device. It's been fixed in SRU (although this is only for customers with a support contract - still, will be in 11.2 as well). Then, I'm sure there are other bugs which are fixed in

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Distro Advice

2013-02-26 Thread Ian Collins
Robert Milkowski wrote: Robert Milkowski wrote: Solaris 11.1 (free for non-prod use). But a ticking bomb if you use a cache device. It's been fixed in SRU (although this is only for customers with a support contract - still, will be in 11.2 as well). Then, I'm sure there are other bugs

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs sata mirror slower than single disk

2013-02-26 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
/bfriesen/zfs-discuss/zfs-cache-test.ksh;. The script will exercise an initial uncached read from disks, and then a (hopefully) cached re-read from disks. I think that it serves as a useful benchmark. Bob -- Bob Friesenhahn bfrie...@simple.dallas.tx.us, http://www.simplesystems.org/users/bfriesen

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Distro Advice

2013-02-26 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Tue, 26 Feb 2013, Gary Driggs wrote: On Feb 26, 2013, at 12:44 AM, Sašo Kiselkov wrote: I'd also recommend that you go and subscribe to z...@lists.illumos.org,  since this list is going to get shut down by Oracle next month. Whose description still reads, everything ZFS

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Distro Advice

2013-02-26 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Tue, 26 Feb 2013, Richard Elling wrote: Consider using different policies for different data. For traditional file systems, you had relatively few policy options: readonly, nosuid, quota, etc. With ZFS, dedup and compression are also policy options. In your case, dedup for your media is not

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Distro Advice

2013-02-26 Thread Ian Collins
Bob Friesenhahn wrote: On Tue, 26 Feb 2013, Richard Elling wrote: Consider using different policies for different data. For traditional file systems, you had relatively few policy options: readonly, nosuid, quota, etc. With ZFS, dedup and compression are also policy options. In your case,

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Distro Advice

2013-02-26 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Wed, 27 Feb 2013, Ian Collins wrote: I am finding that rsync with the right options (to directly block-overwrite) plus zfs snapshots is providing me with pretty amazing deduplication for backups without even enabling deduplication in zfs. Now backup storage goes a very long way. We do the

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Distro Advice

2013-02-26 Thread Ian Collins
Bob Friesenhahn wrote: On Wed, 27 Feb 2013, Ian Collins wrote: I am finding that rsync with the right options (to directly block-overwrite) plus zfs snapshots is providing me with pretty amazing deduplication for backups without even enabling deduplication in zfs. Now backup storage goes a

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Distro Advice

2013-02-26 Thread Jim Klimov
On 2013-02-27 05:36, Ian Collins wrote: Bob Friesenhahn wrote: On Wed, 27 Feb 2013, Ian Collins wrote: I am finding that rsync with the right options (to directly block-overwrite) plus zfs snapshots is providing me with pretty amazing deduplication for backups without even enabling

[zfs-discuss] ZFS Distro Advice

2013-02-25 Thread Tiernan OToole
Good morning all. My home NAS died over the weekend, and it leaves me with a lot of spare drives (5 2Tb and 3 1Tb disks). I have a Dell Poweredge 2900 Server sitting in the house, which has not been doing much over the last while (bought it a few years back with the intent of using it as a

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Distro Advice

2013-02-25 Thread Volker A. Brandt
Hi Tiernan! But, now i am confused as to what OS to use... OpenIndiana? Nexenta? FreeNAS/FreeBSD? I need something that will allow me to share files over SMB (3 if possible), NFS, AFP (for Time Machine) and iSCSI. Ideally, i would like something i can manage easily and something that works

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Distro Advice

2013-02-25 Thread Suleyman Nazif Kutlu
: 46 Geschäftsführer: Rainer J.H. Brandt und Volker A. Brandt When logic and proportion have fallen sloppy dead ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Distro Advice

2013-02-25 Thread Tim Cook
On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 4:57 AM, Tiernan OToole lsmart...@gmail.com wrote: Good morning all. My home NAS died over the weekend, and it leaves me with a lot of spare drives (5 2Tb and 3 1Tb disks). I have a Dell Poweredge 2900 Server sitting in the house, which has not been doing much over

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Distro Advice

2013-02-25 Thread Volker A. Brandt
Tim Cook writes: I need something that will allow me to share files over SMB (3 if possible), NFS, AFP (for Time Machine) and iSCSI. Ideally, i would like something i can manage easily and something that works with the Dell... All of them should provide the basic functionality you're

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Distro Advice

2013-02-25 Thread Tim Cook
On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 7:57 AM, Volker A. Brandt v...@bb-c.de wrote: Tim Cook writes: I need something that will allow me to share files over SMB (3 if possible), NFS, AFP (for Time Machine) and iSCSI. Ideally, i would like something i can manage easily and something that works with

Re: [zfs-discuss] [zfs] Re: how to know available disk space, 22% free space missing

2013-02-20 Thread Pasi Kärkkäinen
Hello, Any comments/suggestions about this would be very nice.. Thanks! -- Pasi On Fri, Feb 08, 2013 at 05:09:56PM +0200, Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote: I'm seeing weird output aswell: # zpool list foo NAME SIZE ALLOC FREECAP DEDUP HEALTH ALTROOT foo 5.44T 4.44T 1023G

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs raid1 error resilvering and mount

2013-02-19 Thread Konstantin Kuklin
i did`t replace disk, after reboot system not started (zfs installed as default root system) and i boot from another system(from flash) and resilvering has auto start and show me warnings with freeze progress(dead on checking zroot/var/crash ) replacing dead disk healing var/crash with 0x0 adress?

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs raid1 error resilvering and mount

2013-02-19 Thread Jim Klimov
On 2013-02-19 12:39, Konstantin Kuklin wrote: i did`t replace disk, after reboot system not started (zfs installed as default root system) and i boot from another system(from flash) and resilvering has auto start and show me warnings with freeze progress(dead on checking zroot/var/crash )

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs raid1 error resilvering and mount

2013-02-19 Thread Konstantin Kuklin
zfs set canmount=off zroot/var/crash i can`t do this, because zfs list empty 2013/2/19 Fleuriot Damien m...@my.gd: The thing is, perhaps you have corrupted blocks that weren't caught either by ZFS or your drives' firmware, preventing the pool's operation. Seeing zroot/var/crash is the

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs raid1 error resilvering and mount

2013-02-19 Thread Jim Klimov
On 2013-02-19 14:24, Konstantin Kuklin wrote: zfs set canmount=off zroot/var/crash i can`t do this, because zfs list empty I'd argue that in your case it might be desirable to evacuate data and reinstall the OS - just to be certain that ZFS on-disk structures on new installation have no

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs raid1 error resilvering and mount

2013-02-19 Thread Fleuriot Damien
If I understand you correctly, you have: - booted another system from flash - NOT replaced the failed device - under this booted system, resilvering takes place automatically While I cannot tell why ZFS tries to resilver without a new, proper device, I think it will only work once you've

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs raid1 error resilvering and mount

2013-02-19 Thread Fleuriot Damien
Well I can't see anything else to help you, except trying to replace your failed vdev and resilver from there… On Feb 19, 2013, at 2:24 PM, Konstantin Kuklin konstantin.kuk...@gmail.com wrote: zfs set canmount=off zroot/var/crash i can`t do this, because zfs list empty 2013/2/19

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs raid1 error resilvering and mount

2013-02-19 Thread Victor Latushkin
, possibly giving you an intact state of ZFS data structures and a usable pool. Maybe not. //Jim ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs raid1 error resilvering and mount

2013-02-19 Thread Jim Klimov
-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs raid1 error resilvering and mount

2013-02-18 Thread Fleuriot Damien
Reassure me here, you've replaced your failed vdev before trying to resilver right ? Your zpool status suggests otherwise, so I only want to make sure this is a status from before replacing your drive. On Feb 18, 2013, at 8:48 AM, Konstantin Kuklin konstantin.kuk...@gmail.com wrote: i

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list opensolaris EOL

2013-02-18 Thread Cindy Swearingen
something good for karma... win-win, at no price). Thanks for your helpfulness in the past years, //Jim ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list opensolaris EOL

2013-02-17 Thread Sašo Kiselkov
On 02/17/2013 06:40 AM, Ian Collins wrote: Toby Thain wrote: Signed up, thanks. The ZFS list has been very high value and I thank everyone whose wisdom I have enjoyed, especially people like you Sašo, Mr Elling, Mr Friesenhahn, Mr Harvey, the distinguished Sun and Oracle engineers who post

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list opensolaris EOL

2013-02-17 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
From: cindy swearingen [mailto:cindy.swearin...@gmail.com] This was new news to use too and we're just talking over some options yesterday afternoon so please give us a chance to regroup and provide some alternatives. This list will be shutdown but we can start a new one on java.net.

[zfs-discuss] zfs raid1 error resilvering and mount

2013-02-17 Thread Konstantin Kuklin
hi, i have raid1 on zfs with 2 device on pool first device died and boot from second not working... i try to get http://mfsbsd.vx.sk/ flash and load from it with zpool import http://puu.sh/2402E when i load zfs.ko and opensolaris.ko i see this message: Solaris: WARNING: Can't open objset for

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list opensolaris EOL

2013-02-17 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
From: Tim Cook [mailto:t...@cook.ms] Why would I spend all that time and energy participating in ANOTHER list controlled by Oracle, when they have shown they have no qualms about eliminating it with basically 0 warning, at their whim? From an open source, community perspective, I

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs raid1 error resilvering and mount

2013-02-17 Thread Jim Klimov
On 2013-02-17 15:46, Konstantin Kuklin wrote: hi, i have raid1 on zfs with 2 device on pool first device died and boot from second not working... You didn't say which OS version created the pool (ultimately - which pool version is there) and I'm not sure about support of the zfs versions in

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs raid1 error resilvering and mount

2013-02-17 Thread Jim Klimov
Also, adding to my recent post: instead of resilvering, try to run zpool scrub first - it should verify all checksums and repair whatever it can via redundancy (for metadata - extra copies). Resilver is similar to scrub, but it has its other goals and implementation, and might be not so

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs raid1 error resilvering and mount

2013-02-17 Thread Fleuriot Damien
Hmmm, zfs destroy -f zroot/var/crash ? Then you can try to zfs mount -a Removing pjd and mm from cc, if they want to read your message they're old enough to check their ML subscription. On Feb 17, 2013, at 3:46 PM, Konstantin Kuklin konstantin.kuk...@gmail.com wrote: hi, i have raid1 on

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list opensolaris EOL

2013-02-17 Thread Tim Cook
On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 8:58 AM, Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensola...@nedharvey.com wrote: From: Tim Cook [mailto:t...@cook.ms] Why would I spend all that time and energy participating in ANOTHER list controlled by Oracle, when

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list opensolaris EOL

2013-02-17 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
From: Tim Cook [mailto:t...@cook.ms] We can agree to disagree. I think you're still operating under the auspices of Oracle wanting to have an open discussion.  This is patently false.   I'm just going to respond to this by saying thank you, Cindy, Casper, Neil, and others, for all the

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list opensolaris EOL

2013-02-17 Thread Ian Collins
Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) wrote: From: Tim Cook [mailto:t...@cook.ms] We can agree to disagree. I think you're still operating under the auspices of Oracle wanting to have an open discussion. This is patently false. I'm just going to respond to this by saying

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list opensolaris EOL

2013-02-17 Thread Volker A. Brandt
Ian Collins writes: Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) wrote: From: Tim Cook [mailto:t...@cook.ms] We can agree to disagree. I think you're still operating under the auspices of Oracle wanting to have an open discussion. This is patently false. I'm just going

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs raid1 error resilvering and mount

2013-02-17 Thread Konstantin Kuklin
i can`t do it, because resilvering in progress(freeze on 0.1%) and zfs list empty 2013/2/17 Fleuriot Damien m...@my.gd: Hmmm, zfs destroy -f zroot/var/crash ? Then you can try to zfs mount -a Removing pjd and mm from cc, if they want to read your message they're old enough to check their

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list opensolaris EOL

2013-02-16 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
Of Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 11:00 AM To: zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org Subject: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list opensolaris EOL So, I hear, in a couple weeks' time, opensolaris.org is shutting down. What does that mean

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list opensolaris EOL

2013-02-16 Thread Tim Cook
*To:* zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org *Subject:* [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list opensolaris EOL ** ** So, I hear, in a couple weeks' time, opensolaris.org is shutting down. What does that mean for this mailing list? Should we all be moving over to something at illumos or something

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list opensolaris EOL

2013-02-16 Thread Sriram Narayanan
From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 11:00 AM To: zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org Subject: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list opensolaris EOL

2013-02-16 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Fri, 15 Feb 2013, Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) wrote: So, I hear, in a couple weeks' time, opensolaris.org is shutting down.  What does that mean for this mailing list?  Should we all be moving over to something at illumos or something? There is a

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list opensolaris EOL

2013-02-16 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
From: Tim Cook [mailto:t...@cook.ms] That would be the logical decision, yes.  Not to poke fun, but did you really expect an official response after YEARS of nothing from Oracle?  This is the same company that refused to release any Java patches until the DHS issued a national warning

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list opensolaris EOL

2013-02-16 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
From: sriram...@gmail.com [mailto:sriram...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Sriram Narayanan Or, given that this is a weekend, we assume that someone within Oracle would see this mail only on Monday morning Pacific Time, then send out some mails within, and be able to respond in public only by

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list opensolaris EOL

2013-02-16 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
From: Bob Friesenhahn [mailto:bfrie...@simple.dallas.tx.us] Good for you. I am sure that Larry will be contacting you soon. hehehehehe... he knows better. ;-) Previously Oracle announced and invited people to join their discussion forums, which are web-based and virtually dead.

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list opensolaris EOL

2013-02-16 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Sat, 16 Feb 2013, Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) wrote: From: Tim Cook [mailto:t...@cook.ms] That would be the logical decision, yes.  Not to poke fun, but did you really expect an official response after YEARS of nothing from Oracle?  This is the same company

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list opensolaris EOL

2013-02-16 Thread Tim Cook
On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 11:21 AM, Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensola...@nedharvey.com wrote: From: Tim Cook [mailto:t...@cook.ms] That would be the logical decision, yes. Not to poke fun, but did you really expect an official

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list opensolaris EOL

2013-02-16 Thread Sašo Kiselkov
On 02/16/2013 06:44 PM, Tim Cook wrote: We've got Oracle employees on the mailing list, that while helpful, in no way have the authority to speak for company policy. They've made that clear on numerous occasions And that doesn't change the fact that we literally have heard NOTHING from

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list opensolaris EOL

2013-02-16 Thread cindy swearingen
@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list opensolaris EOL

2013-02-16 Thread Jim Klimov
Hello Cindy, Are there any plans to preserve the official mailing lists' archives, or will they go the way of Jive forums and the future digs for bits of knowledge would rely on alternate mirrors and caches? I understand that Oracle has some business priorities, but retiring hardware causes

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list opensolaris EOL

2013-02-16 Thread Fred Liu
7:42 AM To: zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list opensolaris EOL Hello Cindy, Are there any plans to preserve the official mailing lists' archives, or will they go the way of Jive forums and the future digs for bits of knowledge would rely on alternate

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list opensolaris EOL

2013-02-16 Thread Toby Thain
___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list opensolaris EOL

2013-02-16 Thread Ian Collins
Toby Thain wrote: Signed up, thanks. The ZFS list has been very high value and I thank everyone whose wisdom I have enjoyed, especially people like you Sašo, Mr Elling, Mr Friesenhahn, Mr Harvey, the distinguished Sun and Oracle engineers who post here, and many others. Let the Illumos list

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list opensolaris EOL

2013-02-16 Thread Bryan Horstmann-Allen
+-- | On 2013-02-17 18:40:47, Ian Collins wrote: | One of its main advantages is it has been platform agnostic. We see Solaris, Illumos, BSD and more recently ZFS on Linux questions all give the same respect. I do

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list opensolaris EOL

2013-02-16 Thread Richard Elling
On Feb 16, 2013, at 10:16 PM, Bryan Horstmann-Allen b...@mirrorshades.net wrote: +-- | On 2013-02-17 18:40:47, Ian Collins wrote: | One of its main advantages is it has been platform agnostic. We see Solaris,

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list opensolaris EOL

2013-02-16 Thread Ian Collins
Richard Elling wrote: On Feb 16, 2013, at 10:16 PM, Bryan Horstmann-Allen b...@mirrorshades.net wrote: +-- | On 2013-02-17 18:40:47, Ian Collins wrote: | One of its main advantages is it has been platform agnostic.

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list opensolaris EOL

2013-02-16 Thread Tim Cook
On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 3:42 PM, cindy swearingen cindy.swearin...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Ned and Everyone, This was new news to use too and we're just talking over some options yesterday afternoon so please give us a chance to regroup and provide some alternatives. This list will be

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list opensolaris EOL

2013-02-16 Thread Bryan Horstmann-Allen
+-- | On 2013-02-17 01:17:58, Tim Cook wrote: | | While I'm sure many appreciate the offer as I do, I can tell you for me | personally: never going to happen. Why would I spend all that time and | energy participating in

[zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list opensolaris EOL

2013-02-15 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
So, I hear, in a couple weeks' time, opensolaris.org is shutting down. What does that mean for this mailing list? Should we all be moving over to something at illumos or something? I'm going to encourage somebody in an official capacity at opensolaris to respond... I'm going to discourage

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS monitoring

2013-02-12 Thread Pawel Jakub Dawidek
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 05:39:27PM +0100, Jim Klimov wrote: On 2013-02-11 17:14, Borja Marcos wrote: On Feb 11, 2013, at 4:56 PM, Tim Cook wrote: The zpool iostat output has all sorts of statistics I think would be useful/interesting to record over time. Yes, thanks :) I think I

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS monitoring

2013-02-12 Thread Borja Marcos
On Feb 12, 2013, at 11:25 AM, Pawel Jakub Dawidek wrote: I made kstat data available on FreeBSD via 'kstat' sysctl tree: Yes, I am using the data. I wasn't sure about how getting something meaningful from it, but I've found the arcstats.pl script and I am using it as a model. Suggestions

[zfs-discuss] ZFS monitoring

2013-02-11 Thread Borja Marcos
Hello, I'n updating Devilator, the performance data collector for Orca and FreeBSD to include ZFS monitoring. So far I am graphing the ARC and L2ARC size, L2ARC writes and reads, and several hit/misses data pairs. Any suggestions to improve it? What other variables can be interesting? An

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS monitoring

2013-02-11 Thread Tim Cook
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Borja Marcos bor...@sarenet.es wrote: Hello, I'n updating Devilator, the performance data collector for Orca and FreeBSD to include ZFS monitoring. So far I am graphing the ARC and L2ARC size, L2ARC writes and reads, and several hit/misses data pairs. Any

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