Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs send older version?

2009-09-16 Thread Richard Elling
On Sep 16, 2009, at 10:56 AM, Erik Trimble wrote: Lori Alt wrote: On 09/16/09 10:48, Marty Scholes wrote: Lori Alt wrote: As for being able to read streams of a later format on an earlier version of ZFS, I don't think that will ever be supported. In that case, we really would have to someh

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs send older version?

2009-09-16 Thread Lori Alt
On 09/16/09 11:56, Erik Trimble wrote: Lori Alt wrote: On 09/16/09 10:48, Marty Scholes wrote: Lori Alt wrote: As for being able to read streams of a later format on an earlier version of ZFS, I don't think that will ever be supported. In that case, we really would have to somehow convert t

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs send older version?

2009-09-16 Thread Erik Trimble
Lori Alt wrote: On 09/16/09 10:48, Marty Scholes wrote: Lori Alt wrote: As for being able to read streams of a later format on an earlier version of ZFS, I don't think that will ever be supported. In that case, we really would have to somehow convert the format of the objects stored with

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs send older version?

2009-09-16 Thread Darren J Moffat
Marty Scholes wrote: Lori Alt wrote: As for being able to read streams of a later format on an earlier version of ZFS, I don't think that will ever be supported. In that case, we really would have to somehow convert the format of the objects stored within the send stream and we have no plans

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs send older version?

2009-09-16 Thread Lori Alt
On 09/16/09 10:49, David Magda wrote: On Wed, September 16, 2009 11:53, Lori Alt wrote: So we're considering a refinement of the current policy of not guaranteeing future readability of streams generated by earlier version of ZFS. The time may have come where we know enough about how send s

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs send older version?

2009-09-16 Thread Lori Alt
On 09/16/09 10:48, Marty Scholes wrote: Lori Alt wrote: As for being able to read streams of a later format on an earlier version of ZFS, I don't think that will ever be supported. In that case, we really would have to somehow convert the format of the objects stored within the send strea

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs send older version?

2009-09-16 Thread David Magda
On Wed, September 16, 2009 11:53, Lori Alt wrote: > So we're considering a refinement of the current policy of not > guaranteeing future readability of streams generated by earlier version > of ZFS. The time may have come where we know enough about how send > streams fit into overall ZFS versioni

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs send older version?

2009-09-16 Thread Marty Scholes
Lori Alt wrote: > As for being able to read streams of a later format > on an earlier > version of ZFS, I don't think that will ever be > supported. In that > case, we really would have to somehow convert the > format of the objects > stored within the send stream and we have no plans to > impl

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs send older version?

2009-09-16 Thread Lori Alt
Erik Trimble wrote: Lori Alt wrote: On 09/15/09 06:27, Luca Morettoni wrote: On 09/15/09 02:07 PM, Mark J Musante wrote: zfs create -o version=N pool/filesystem is possible to implement into a future version of ZFS a "released" send command, like: # zfs send -r2 ... to send a specif

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs send older version?

2009-09-16 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
On Wed, September 16, 2009 02:11, Carson Gaspar wrote: > "zfs recv" of a full > stream will create a new filesystem of the appropriate version, which you > may > then "zfs upgrade" if you wish. And restoring incrementals to a different > fs rev > doesn't make sense. As long as support for older f

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs send older version?

2009-09-16 Thread Mattias Pantzare
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 09:34, Erik Trimble wrote: > Carson Gaspar wrote: >> >> Erik Trimble wrote: >>  > I haven't see this specific problem, but it occurs to me thus: >>> >>> For the reverse of the original problem, where (say) I back up a 'zfs >>> send' stream to tape, then later on, after upgr

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs send older version?

2009-09-16 Thread Carson Gaspar
Erik Trimble wrote: You are correct in that restoring a full stream creates the appropriate versioned filesystem. That's not the problem. The /much/ more likely scenario is this: (1) Let's say I have a 2008.11 server. I back up the various ZFS filesystems, with both incremental and full stre

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs send older version?

2009-09-16 Thread Erik Trimble
Carson Gaspar wrote: Erik Trimble wrote: > I haven't see this specific problem, but it occurs to me thus: For the reverse of the original problem, where (say) I back up a 'zfs send' stream to tape, then later on, after upgrading my system, I want to get that stream back. Does 'zfs receive'

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs send older version?

2009-09-16 Thread Carson Gaspar
Erik Trimble wrote: > I haven't see this specific problem, but it occurs to me thus: For the reverse of the original problem, where (say) I back up a 'zfs send' stream to tape, then later on, after upgrading my system, I want to get that stream back. Does 'zfs receive' support reading a ver

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs send older version?

2009-09-15 Thread Ian Collins
Erik Trimble wrote: Lori Alt wrote: On 09/15/09 06:27, Luca Morettoni wrote: On 09/15/09 02:07 PM, Mark J Musante wrote: zfs create -o version=N pool/filesystem is possible to implement into a future version of ZFS a "released" send command, like: # zfs send -r2 ... to send a specif

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs send older version?

2009-09-15 Thread Erik Trimble
Lori Alt wrote: On 09/15/09 06:27, Luca Morettoni wrote: On 09/15/09 02:07 PM, Mark J Musante wrote: zfs create -o version=N pool/filesystem is possible to implement into a future version of ZFS a "released" send command, like: # zfs send -r2 ... to send a specific release (version 2

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs send older version?

2009-09-15 Thread Richard Elling
On Sep 15, 2009, at 6:58 AM, Marty Scholes wrote: The zfs send stream is dependent on the version of the filesystem, so the only way to create an older stream is to create a back-versioned filesystem: zfs create -o version=N pool/filesystem You can see what versions your system supports

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs send older version?

2009-09-15 Thread Lori Alt
On 09/15/09 06:27, Luca Morettoni wrote: On 09/15/09 02:07 PM, Mark J Musante wrote: zfs create -o version=N pool/filesystem is possible to implement into a future version of ZFS a "released" send command, like: # zfs send -r2 ... to send a specific release (version 2 in the example)

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs send older version?

2009-09-15 Thread Marty Scholes
> The zfs send stream is dependent on the version of > the filesystem, so the > only way to create an older stream is to create a > back-versioned > filesystem: > > zfs create -o version=N pool/filesystem > You can see what versions your system supports by > using the zfs upgrade > comman

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs send older version?

2009-09-15 Thread Luca Morettoni
On 09/15/09 02:07 PM, Mark J Musante wrote: zfs create -o version=N pool/filesystem is possible to implement into a future version of ZFS a "released" send command, like: # zfs send -r2 ... to send a specific release (version 2 in the example) of the metadata? -- Luca Morettoni | Ope

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs send older version?

2009-09-15 Thread Mark J Musante
On Mon, 14 Sep 2009, Marty Scholes wrote: I really want to move back to 2009.06 and keep all of my files / snapshots. Is there a way somehow to zfs send an older stream that 2009.06 will read so that I can import that into 2009.06? Can I even create an older pool/dataset using 122? Ideall

[zfs-discuss] zfs send older version?

2009-09-14 Thread Marty Scholes
After moving from SXCE to 2009.06, my ZFS pools/file systems were at too new of a version. I upgraded to the latest dev and recently upgraded to 122, but am not too thrilled with the instability, especially zfs send / recv lockups (don't recall the bug number). I keep a copy of all of my criti