Tobias Herp wrote:
I'm currently logged in to http://www.zope.org/Collectors/Zope (as
to_be, as shown at the page top). When I try to add a new issue
(http://www.zope.org/Collectors/Zope/collector_add_issue_form), this
method doesn't honor my being logged in, states "You are not logged
in" in the
R. Welz wrote:
Hello.
The pdf refuses to print. It always stops at page 97 on a Tektronix
Laser Printer (Postscript Level 3) and Acrobat Reader 6.0 on Mac OS X.
4. The pdf is broken on this page.
Acrobat can print this page "as picture" but with reduced quality.
http://www.zope.org/Document
I'm CCing a few other people, hopefully one of them will be able to help...
Chris
R. David Murray wrote:
I'm no longer actively involved in zope3 development. I'd like to get
off this mailing list. However, when I go to the collector monitor
list I'm not listed as a subscriber. Can you figur
Hi Jeff,
Sorry for the very delayed reply.
Jeff Luke wrote:
The how-to article "Zope Page Templates: Getting Started" by Evan
Simpson would be very useful except that several of the examples appear
to have been interpreted by Zope before display, rendering them, rather
than presenting them as
Hi Adam,
Adam Monsen wrote:
Dear Webmaster,
Just letting you know that http://www.zope.org fails markup validation:
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.zope.org%2F
That doesn't suprise the, but thanks for letting us know :-S
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Hi Ree,
Balazs Ree wrote:
Unfortunately, (?) it works now - yesterday just got in to edit some
pages and everything was fine.
Great. I suspect this was a transient problem at the time the aggressive
caching was introduced.
whatsoever with terryh either, - anyway, if something like that wou
Is there nothing we can help Andreas to do to purge the caches when he
does a release so Michael doesn't have to deal with everyone who gets
the "insufficient priveleges" message?
I wonder how many people are actually turning away from Zope due to the
shocking state of Zope.org?
cheers,
Chr
Sidnei da Silva wrote:
On Wed, Oct 19, 2005 at 04:17:02PM -0400, Jim Fulton wrote:
| >| >I don't think that's a CMF 'feature', unless the product is using
| >| >'contentValues()' which is part of the CMF API.
|
| BTW, this doesn't mean anything to me.
I guess it doesn't.
It did to me. I trie
Jim Fulton wrote:
I made an attempt to document the hardware setup. I announced this
a long time ago. If you have the right privileges, you can:
svn co svn+ssh://svn.zope.org/repos/zope.org/system-documentation/trunk
I don't think it's up to date, but it does reflect at least a partial
rea
Andrew Sawyers wrote:
If there's no plan, I'll see if Mark can help with enabling us to get
some progress to that end.
Who's Mark?
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Martijn Faassen wrote:
Besides brochure-style information, I'm less confident about presenting
up to date documentation on Zope 2, however. If we get people to edit
the Zope 2 documentation for inclusion, then I'm all for it. I have my
doubts that we'll get enough community interest in doing so
Tonico Strasser wrote:
IMHO, the most important change for reducing visual design complexity,
is to get rid of the /Members section, including log in/log out, and the
whole TTW content management system.
I think it's much easier to add and update content with SVN. (This would
also effectively
Geoff Davis wrote:
I think that people in the Plone community would be willing to help out
with getting such a site set up. The bigger task would be moving
community content to the new setup.
Is there any interest?
I hate to say it in this context, but not if it's Plone based. Once
bitten, t
Hi Geoff,
Geoff Davis wrote:
Yes, Chris, your great love for Plone is well-documented. Without knowing
much about the details, my take is that the current zope.org woes
represent more of a problem with process than one of software. After
all, Plone doesn't maintain itself, nor is Plone code th
Geoff Davis wrote:
2) Could we get support from others in the Zope community for
infrastructure _not_ related to Plone?
Yes, but it needs to be minimal and simple. No big frameworks like CPS
or Plone are either minimal or simple. ZWiki meets the criteria but
wikis have their own problems...
Tom Von Lahndorff wrote:
Version 2 is linked below. Its a work in progress, namely the buggy nav.
Any comments are appreciated. I'll be adding more pages as I go along.
I'm also open to providing a Media Kit and whatever else anyone can
think of. I'm a little slammed at work right now, but wi
Martin Aspeli wrote:
Chris Withers simplistix.co.uk> writes:
Yup, you've hit the nail on the head. But, Plone has proved itself to
require more maintenance than its predecessor.
You mean Plone has, or the way that Plone was put in place has?
Every single Plone project I've e
Martin Aspeli wrote:
I have no way of judging whether that's a valid comparison, without knowing how
much maintenance zope.org will see
Assume zero, that's all it's ever received in the past...
and what degree of complexity your Plone
projects were.
From dead simple to very complex...
plo
Andrew Sawyers wrote:
knowing how
much maintenance zope.org will see
Assume zero, that's all it's ever received in the past...
This is not true.
Sorry, I meant on the software side. I didn't mean to dismiss the hard
work you and others have done in keeping the damn thing running at all...
Tom Von Lahndorff wrote:
The latest and greatest. I'm working on the middle content well, but the
rest is pretty much done, including the nav.
http://www.modscape.com/zope
I like it a lot :-)
Could loose the "Zope Powered Sites" bit, I don't think it belongs on
the front page...
Chris
Tom Von Lahndorff wrote:
"Is the idea that this is the stuff that changes the most and so will
draw people back or is it just filler content at this stage?"
Mostly filler. I agree with what you say. I'm thinking some of the
testimonials would be good and I'm planning on mocking that up. I also
Lennart Regebro wrote:
On 3/8/06, Chris Withers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I think Zope would be much more appealing for newcomers if they could
see it was vibrant and focussed rather than trying to "sell" itself...
Although if you see on all other wibsites, it seems to a
Lennart Regebro wrote:
Of course not, you are a total thinker, and not affected positively
about people bragging. But most other people are. It's all about hype.
I'll take that as a compliment ;-)
Do we really want people that are attracted? How are they going to
benefit our community?
Chri
Andrew Sawyers wrote:
Maybe we don't have login on these pages; maybe use a different url for
'managing' the site: manager.zope.org or something which adds in an
additional skin which includes these macros. Just an idea.
How would normal users go about submitting news and product releases?
W
Michael Haubenwallner wrote:
Chris Withers wrote:
> Andrew Sawyers wrote:
>> Maybe we don't have login on these pages; maybe use a different url for
>> 'managing' the site: manager.zope.org or something which adds in an
>> additional skin which
Jens Vagelpohl wrote:
This might be an important use case, but it is out of the scope for the
new zope.org setup. The new setup is specifically targeted at not being
a free-for-all community playground anymore.
One of the reasons why the old site is getting worse every day is loads
of outdate
Jens Vagelpohl wrote:
That means I would have to go search for it. I know Chris is capable of
doing that himself :P
Funny, I read those discussions and I don't remember any kind of agreed
conclusion...
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Tom Von Lahndorff wrote:
http://www.modscape.com/zope
03/22/06. Updated the homepage. Added the Zope 3 box. Created a download
page. Click on "Download Zope" under "Download" in the nav.
I don't like the big digits for "2" and "3", makes those images look
really garish.
On the download pa
Tom Von Lahndorff wrote:
On the download page, Zope 2 should be above Zope 3.
Really? I thought most people want to push Zope 3. Shouldn't the latest
release be listed first? I really don't care on way or the other, just
curious.
Zope 2 is the more stable, tested release. I don't care wha
Tom Von Lahndorff wrote:
http://www.modscape.com/zope/v3/products_html
Added a products page. Linked from the nav.
Damn. This really is very good. Would there be any problem with just
replacing the main_template and Products page on Zope.rog with this design?
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Tom Von Lahndorff wrote:
Its not. Its a lot easier to find answers to my questions though at the
Apple's support discussion boards, when I have an Apple issue, rather
than searching Google because I'm searching through very specific
content, not the web in general and therefore get more accur
Tom Von Lahndorff wrote:
> Damn. This really is very good. Would there be any problem with just
> replacing the main_template and Products page on Zope.rog with this
design?
>
I already proposed to setup his design as an alternative skin in
zope.org for *testing* with the current content to
Hi All,
Just been bounced to zope.com from zope.org a few times. philiKON was
experiencing the same thing...
Any reason why that would happen?
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Hi Carlos,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm having troubles accessing to zope.org, since it redirects to zope.com. So,
I'm not able to download Zope.
We're aware of the problem and people are looking into it.
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Hi Jim,
Did anyone ever get to the bottom of this?
cheers,
Chris
Chris Withers wrote:
Lennart Regebro wrote:
On 4/3/06, Andreas Krasa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
it seems that currently all HTTP requests to www.zope.org and
dev.zope.org are forwarded to www.zope.com.
Seems to work n
Hi Chuzo,
Firstly, you really need to join the zope@zope.org list, this list has a
different purpose ;-)
Chuzo Okuda wrote:
First, I wanted to learn Zope Tutorial, but I do not
understand where I can locate "Select type to add..."
list in the following steps to follow as I cannot find
where i
shahrzad khorrami wrote:
I read almost all the archives about ASP404
but I can't find something useful to me to lead me to my goal *!*
This is the wrong list, you want [EMAIL PROTECTED]
and also there is no perfect article about using IIS as
a web server in plone site
...well, you're making
Martijn Faassen wrote:
I propose we use Tom Von Lahndorff's design for the foundation website.
For the purposes of the foundation site we should strip it down:
+lots
* possibly no drop-down menus at the top. We could simply have links
there, or possibly a standard left-hand side navigation. T
Martijn Faassen wrote:
I agree we have less than before, sorry. Then again, before we had two
foundation websites with diverging information, and now we have one, so
that's progress. :)
+1
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Martijn Faassen wrote:
Tom said he'd work on a version without dropdowns, so we'll see; I'm
leaning strongly to a non-dropdown structure myself. I think a version
without dropdowns might fit better in, say, a Plone site, which is
interesting as we're exploring the plone.org hosting infrastructu
Tom Von Lahndorff wrote:
http://modscape.com/zope
New "Foundation" page. Try the nav. Only tested on Firefox/Mac so far.
Personally, I hate sites that leave whacking great margins either ide of
the actual content.
Not sure about the colours or shadows either.
And the left nav doesn't feel
Tom Von Lahndorff wrote:
Here we go again.
Step 1. Propose a project to the Zope community.
Step 2. Plone sucks / Plone is great battle begins, everyone complains
about what they dont like.
Step 3. No actual work ever gets done.
Step 4. Repeat in 6 months.
Er, Tom, you asked for feedback...
Tom Von Lahndorff wrote:
Im trying to avoid things like:
- I dont like that color. (Unless its really nasty this is 100% subjective)
- Fixed width vs. Fluid layouts. (This debate has been around since
tables. We need to just pick one. For every person that doesnt like the
space on the side of
Gaute Amundsen wrote:
Actually, I am starting to think there should be a big notice on the frontpage
of the http://www.zope.org/Documentation/ section saying:
"don't bother with this, just read the source"
There's actually some merit to this, anyone mind if I implement?
<0.5 wink>
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Jim Fulton wrote:
the machine that goes by many names, including svn.zope.org,
cvs.zope.org, and mail.zope.org.
I think I'm right in saying that this poor box does have apache on it
and so might not be such a bad place to stick the foundation stuff if it
is just flat files?
cheers,
Chris
Lennart Regebro wrote:
Personally, I don't care where www.zope.org is currently located, and
I also think we should replace it part by part with microsites, like
wiki.zope.org, bugs.zope.org, news.zope.org, products.zope.org and so
on,
Be careful the multiple domain names, it prevents sensible
Michael Haubenwallner wrote:
Perry Smith wrote:
> Wonderful documentation but there are a fair amount of silly typos,
> etc. Do folks want me to open "issues" or "bugs" on these typos?
>
Current ZopeBook version is at http://www.plope.com/Books/2_7Edition
Please check http://www.plope.com/B
Lennart Regebro wrote:
On 9/25/06, Chris Withers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Be careful the multiple domain names, it prevents sensible cookie-based
auth. For that reason alone, I'd prefer to see zope.org/wiki,
zope.org/bugs, zope.org/news, etc instead.
Can't you set the
Jens Vagelpohl wrote:
If DNS is a bottleneck I volunteer to host the zope.org zone on my
colocated servers (ns1.dataflake.org as primary, ns1.zetwork.com as
secondary). The data center they are in (in Richmond/VA) has redundant
internet connectivity and a sterling uptime record for their networ
Martijn Faassen wrote:
Ah, I thought we had no Apache, but if there's an Apache, then yes, that
would be a good place to start sticking up some flat files. The first
incaranation of the foundation site will be flat files so that'd be a
good start.
My only worry is that poor little box does a
Justizin wrote:
I haven't even got my responder up yet, to be honest.
I'll be moving my domains to zoneedit at the same time as zope.org.
I assume one of these is yours, and one of them jens' ?
cabana.palladion.com 69.44.155.17
That'll be Tres (cc'ed in 'cos I don't know if he's on this
Andrew Sawyers wrote:
You didn't cc tres
Yeah, I know, but since Jens shouted at me shortly afterwards, I didn't
think I'd rectify the situation ;-)
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Justizin wrote:
Perhaps I am making a wild and sweeping assumption here, but I think
that Chris is talking about the DNS servers which are controlled by
software the team I worked on at Rackspace was responsible for, and
look like ns.rackspace.com. ;)
Yep, so you're responsible for that crappy
Justizin wrote:
I don't want to take all the cookies, but like I said, I already own a
bunch of apaches, including siggraph.org and turing.acm.org, as a
volunteer.
I'd prefer the stuff we're talking about to live ideally on ZC's hardware...
cheers,
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Justizin wrote:
I agree with the concerns about hosting in an individual personal
account, although we are doing no better at ZoneEdit right now with
JRyan36 or whatever the heck I am called.
Yeah, but we can register a "zopeorg" user at zoneedit which we can give
login details to any relevant
Justizin wrote:
I will take the next opportunity I have to bring this up with ACM HQ.
We have about fifty servers in Verizon / NYC, and this might be a good
way for us to begin contributing to the community at an organizational
level. :)
OK, but what happens if you/they get bored of Zope?
Chri
Martijn Faassen wrote:
On the medium to long term, I *would* like to pull in other hardware
besides ZC's, by the way.
OK, but who apart from ZC is offering hardware of a similar resilience?
cheers,
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Martijn Faassen wrote:
No, we can make it serf if you prefer. Probably DNS admin and Apache
admin is better. :) Thanks for the offer! We'll give it a day and see
who else volunteers. If nobody, I'll certainly take you up on it.
I can certainly help admin an Apache config if needed and if I h
Looks like DNS is still fubar'ed here in europe...
I get the same experience as this user...
C:\>nslookup svn.zope.org
Non-authoritative answer:
Name:svn.zope.org
Address: 63.240.213.171
cheers,
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Justizin wrote:
I'd love to see more backups once they have copies of the zone.
Why? zope.org has happily lived off two nameservers for years and years...
All of a sudden, we "need" to have more backups, the upshot of which has
been people in europe getting served bad dns from ns.qutang.net :
Jens Vagelpohl wrote:
It makes sense to have name servers in different physical locations and
on different networks in case one provider runs into trouble. The point
of contention is the number of slaves.
Right, which brings me back to my other point: why, when 2 server have
been fine for abo
There still appear to be some outstanding dns issues...
Chris
Wichert Akkerman wrote:
Is something happening with svn.zope.org? I haven't been able to use
anonymous or authorized svn for two days.
Wichert.
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Justizin wrote:
> This assumption really has nothing to do with what happened this week.
I'm not convinced.
Then take over, Lennart. I do not care.
OK, I've seen this enough.
Justin, I volunteer to take over your DNS stewardship role.
I'm also more than happy to do what I can on the Apach
Hi All,
Summary of current status on DNS...
I've just updated the zonedit contact details to point to:
http://groups.google.com/group/zopeorg-dns
This is a private, members only group and I've invited all relevant
people to the group. If I've left anyone out, please let me know. If
you've got
Dammit, know I'd forget something...
Chris Withers wrote:
- zope.org whois records are now correct and, nameserver wise, point to:
Name Server:NS1.ZONEEDIT.COM
Name Server:NS7.ZONEEDIT.COM
I'll note that I currently see the old list, but I'm assuming this is
a propogat
Hi All,
Does anyone know what bandwidth the zope.org clusters has/needs?
More importantly, how much transfer (in GB) is used for www.zope.org on
a worst-case month?
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yep :-)
Chris
Lennart Regebro wrote:
Does this have anything with the sudden onsplurt of spam via Zope
mailing lists?
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Lennart Regebro wrote:
On 10/13/06, Chris Withers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
yep :-)
Extra annoyiong since I have been trying to unsubscribe from the
zope-list for a week. And failing. I don't have time to read that list
just now...
procmail's great, works for me on michael
Justizin wrote:
I hope you all curl up and die. I'm going to use TurboGears, since
apparently noone in the Zope community will fucking talk to me
anymore.
I'm sure you will be sorely missed ;-)
Seriously, you seemed like a well meaning, fairly clued up, if slightly
arrogant guy when you offe
Justizin wrote:
Heck, at my age, I could just go join a fucking band instead of
spending most of my time volunteering to work with open-source
software on behalf of non-profit foundations.
http://www.bash.org/?14207
;-)
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Jim Fulton wrote:
Chris Withers wrote:
...
I'm tempted to email this zoneedit username and password to the google
group so that it's not locked away in several people's mail accounts.
How do people feel about this?
It makes me feel uncomfortable. :)
No worries, that's
Jens Vagelpohl wrote:
Don't get me wrong, if we can make a quick decision to use this design
for all zope.org-related sites I'd be really happy.
Me too. I'm +sys.maxint on this, we've wasted way too much time already
wanking around various designs.
Tom has done an amazing amount of work in
Simon Michael wrote:
Could we point wiki.zope.org to 66.179.181.88 ? (not sure of the
technical term - CNAME ?)
I've put this in as an A record...
cheers,
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Simon Michael wrote:
Is it a good idea to rename http://zopewiki.org to
http://wiki.zope.org/zope2 ?
+1 :-)
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Simon Michael wrote:
all wikis that were under http://zope.org/Wikis have now been moved to
http://wiki.zope.org .
Yay! Well done Simon! Everyone owes you beer ;-)
Also, zopewiki.org has been renamed to http://wiki.zope.org/zope2 . The old
url was great to use, but the new one will fit better
Simon Michael wrote:
Chris Withers wrote:
Is it going to move to the great new style that's been used for the
Zope 3 wiki?
I took some time to get used to the new skin. I like it a lot - great
work Kevin (and Tom).
Yes indeed :-)
I have been guessing the consensus will be to use th
kit BLAKE wrote:
Could somebody adjust the page at http://www.zopefoundation.org/ and
link to the Zope Foundation site?
Rob, would it be possible to set zoneedit's nameservers as the servers
for this domain?
Or better yet, since 'zopefoundation.org' is the first thing a
searcher might type
Rob Page wrote:
Rob, would it be possible to set zoneedit's nameservers as the servers
for this domain?
Absolutely! Let me know when the zone is configured and I'll point it
over. If the zone is built today I'll shift today and (theoretically at
least) the change will be visible tomorrow.
Simon Michael wrote:
So, how would we write this. Is there someone more apache-wizardly who
can get us started ?
Bear in mind that www.zope.org isn't Apache-fronted. It's Squid
redirectors...
Chris
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Rob Page wrote:
Chris - did zoneedit get the zopefoundation info? I don't think it's
answering.
They did, but zoneedit have this bizarre policy of refusing to serve dns
until the whois record points at their nameservers.
Worse still, even after the whois records have changed, they'll only
Simon Michael wrote:
I'm aware of two Zope 2 products that manage membership - Plone and the
venerable exUserFolder.
Could the Zope instance the wikis run off use the zope.org ldap auth system?
cheers,
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Simon Michael wrote:
Could I have the wiki.zope.org MX record pointed to mail.joyful.com ?
This will allow me to email things to the wikis again.
Done.
Lemme know if you have any problems.
cheers,
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Andrew Sawyers wrote:
The last word I got was last night, there was a power supply failure at
Amaze's data center. I would presume this would be a power supply failure
in the server which hosts these sites. No further word. I personally don't
have contact with Amaze, not any idea how to contac
Josef Meile wrote:
Today I noticed that google doesn't find anything when giving
"site:mail.zope.org" anymore. It worked before :-(
Yeah, I noticed this too. It's a real shame.
I wonder who did that and why?
(file objects have no history tab and the database has been packed to
the point where
Michael Haubenwallner wrote:
i get a really bad feeling when i see all of zope mailing history and
the code base disappear from public search archives.
Yes indeed...
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Sascha Welter wrote:
I can't think that mail.zope.org has anything to do with a ZODB or is
configured from zope.org
(Removed the cross posting, dunno what this has to do with zope@)
Because the person originally asking the question posted there...
(I'm now CC'ing him in directly...)
http://
Josef Meile wrote:
Somebody didn't like the bots to roam the archives?
I have a feeling someone didn't want bots spanking some web-subversion
front end that's running, but the end result is that we loose all Zope
code and mailing list archives from Google :-(
Yes, that's really sad. I really d
Jens Vagelpohl wrote:
Since it was the weekend and no one at ZC can be expected to sit around
just waiting for someone from the ZWeb list to complain it took a few
days. The robots.txt file is now empty.
Yay, good stuff :-)
cheers,
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Is it just me or is the cache behaviour still pretty weird?
I'm trying to upload the windows build for 2.11.1 and have had to log in
2 or 3 times...
cheers,
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Jens Vagelpohl wrote:
It is still weird and it will probably remain that way. The caching tier
is independent and not under our control.
How long is it going to be before we can move zope.org to some kind of
sane hosting environment?
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Hey All,
Is it supposed to be down?
Chris
PS: I'm not longer subscribed to zope-web, please CC me in a replies...
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