very true
retaliation is illegal
dp
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From: "Mike Gilles" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'McCammon, Keith'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
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Subject: RE: IDS that retaliates.


| Just as a side note... The source of the attack will more likely be a
| compromised legitimate business that the attack is originating from.  So
the
| retaliation attack is not only not hitting the true source of the
activity,
| it is a set up for a host of trouble... attacking another legitimate
| business that I'm sure just as soon be avoided.  They might not notice the
| DOS being launched FROM them, but they'll sure as heck notice one being
| launch AGAINST them.  An argument might be made that they deserved it!...
| Well the law I think will view that differently.  Not to mention the
| explanation to the boss when your company is being sued over the
retaliation
| attack software that the IT team installed...
|
| I think retaliation IDS is a bad Idea, I think it blurs the real goal of
| security, not being vulnerable in the first place.
|
| just my 2 cents...
|
| Thanks!
|
| -MG
| Security Dude
|
| -----Original Message-----
| From: McCammon, Keith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
| Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 3:00 PM
| To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
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| Subject: RE: IDS that retaliates.
|
|
| This is generally referred to as Active Response.  In most cases
| (commercial IDS), this involves the IDS sending TCP RST packets to both
| ends of the connection so that the connection is destroyed and cleared
| from the buffers.  This is also the extent to which most
| commercially-available IDSs "retaliate."  Snort does this, as do ISS and
| several other popular systems.
|
| Now if you're referring to launching counter-attacks or similar
| offensives in response to alerts, this isn't going to go mainstream in
| the near future.  There are a number of reasons for this, but most
| notably is the fact that (in the U.S., anyway) intrusive retaliation is,
| technically, every bit as illegal as the act that provoked it in the
| first place.
|
| I, too, have heard of government and defense projects that are
| developing (and refining) intrusive response of technology, but realize
| that the details of such systems would not likely be publicized.

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