Re: MDA/UML/OO and SOA (was Re: [service-orientated-architecture] John on Gartner, AJAX & Assorted TLAs)

[Lukas Barton]

Stefan Tilkov wrote: The main problem is in tools (and you cannot do MDA without tools). I learned that majority of tools support OOAD (Object oriented analysis and design). Most of them only transforms class models into static object structure. That’s useful. It could save time during developmnet phase. Etc… but does not help with SOA. I don't understand this statement. First of all, lots of tools support generation from other models; e.g. it's easily possible to use UML activity diagrams to describe a business process and generate e.g. BPEL from it. Secondly, I don't see how generating WSDLs from UML class models "does not help with SOA". I tried generating BPEL from activity diagram in IBM Software Architect and from BPM model in Borland Together and creating full model took me longer time than writing BPEL XML "by hand". Also possibilities to integrate that model with other models to get BPEL itnegrated with other generated artifacts were poor. May be I should try other tools. I agree that tools does help with SOA, but on low level of abstraction... Which is exactly my point - the fault is not in UML, nor OO, but in using it wrongly. I agree. But the way you use UML, nor OO, depends on tools that support it. Let's give an example of tools that leads developer to use it rigth way? (eg. that solve problems like SOA enablement of legacy applications...).    Lukas __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Computer software program Computer software spy Computer job Database software Discount computer software YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS  Visit your group "service-orientated-architecture" on the web.    To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]    Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___