I agree that in this context it was pure marketing speak and I shall be leaving that claim well out of my review of the product.
However, I think that the point that Todd raised was important - if an application vendor can say "yes, we have all these services available in our application, and you can use them directly if you wish" it could be a valuable consideration if a potential buyer wanted to be able to pick and choose the services that they actually wanted to use. But how could a vendor actually claim this? I know that at least one apps vendor is now looking at things like the OAGIS standards for 'business objects' and starting to use these. Is this the way forward? Teresa _____ From: Mark D. Carlson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 27 June 2007 18:04 To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [service-orientated-architecture] SOA-compliant For this term to have meaning one would have to ask "Compliant according to what defined standard or specification?". If I assert that a Web Service is compliant with WS-I Basic Profile 1.0, that assertion can be tested either manually by reviewing its characteristics against the published rules or in an automated fashion using one or more tools. In short, my compliance claim could be verified. This vendor's claim of "SOA compliance" can neither be proved nor disproved in absence of some finite set of compliance tests or at least a widely agreed upon specific definition. Their claim is like claiming "object orientation compliant" or "distributed computing compliant" or "client server compliant". It is a marketing construct and useless for any real evaluation of their product. Thanks, Mark _____ From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Teresa Jones Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 9:30 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [service-orientated-architecture] SOA-compliant I'm currently looking at a CRM product that the vendor claims is 'SOA-compliant' yet it is also claimed to be an n-tier architecture. A quick search on the concept of SOA-compliance brought up this article:- http://blogs. <http://blogs.ittoolbox.com/eai/engineering/archives/my-soa-compliant-toaste r-and-cell-phone-7362> ittoolbox.com/eai/engineering/archives/my-soa-compliant-toaster-and-cell-pho ne-7362 which was quite fun! I suspect that the CRM vendor concerned actually means that you can integrate with it using web services.... Question for the group - can an application be regarded as SOA-compliant? Or is that rather a meaningless phrase? thanks Teresa This Message has been scanned by www.blackspider.com <http://www.blackspider.com> Click here to report this email as spam. IMPORTANT NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are privileged and confidential and intended for the addressee at the specified e-mail address only. Its contents may not be copied or disclosed to anyone other than the intended recipient. If this e-mail is received in error, please contact Butler Direct Limited immediately on +44 (0)1482 586149 with details of the sender and addressee and delete the e-mail. No responsibility is accepted by Butler Direct Limited in the event that the onward transmission, opening or use of this message and/or any attachments adversely affect the recipient's systems or data. It is your responsibility to carry out such virus and other checks as you consider appropriate. www.butlergroup.com Butler Direct Limited is a private limited company registered in England and Wales with company number 3360695. The registered office is situated at Charles House, 108-110 Finchley Road, London, NW3 5JJ.
