+1
On 30 Jun 2007, at 19:47, Eric Newcomer wrote:
We at IONA would not claim "SOA compliance" since such a thing
doesn't exist and probably can't or at least shouldn't.
SOA is a style of design, or an approach to IT. It's not something
with which any particular product can be compliant since any number
of technologies can be (and have been) successfully used to
imlpement an SOA. That means it's how you use the product, not the
product or technology itself, that needs to be SOA compliant.
Eric
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From: Steve Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 6:11:18 AM
Subject: Re: [service-orientated-architecture] SOA-compliant
And here in lies the problem....
I've done this on several occasions with product teams who make the
valid point
"Yes we know that it isn't, but the analysts are saying things must
be SOA and customers are looking for SOA, so we say we have SOA and
people buy it"
No-one ever advertises "Pretty much like our old product, we've
just put three more blades on it to see if you will buy the same
stuff again" or "gets clothes as white as everyone elses product"
and certainly not "Its a creme for your face, it might help it
might not, we just use phrases like fructose and aqua so you won't
realise its just sugar and water".
That said I'd argue that it should be possible to have a standard
of both architectureal and technical compliance to SOA principles,
rather than the current raft which is just right-click expose web
service on the existing code base.
Steve
On 27/06/07, JP Morgenthal <morgenthaljp@ avorcor.com> wrote:
Now that we're all in agreement, who will carry the message back to
the pathetic marketing staffs within these vendors?
:-)
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On Jun 27, 2007, at 1:04 PM, Mark D. Carlson wrote:
For this term to have meaning one would have to ask "Compliant
according to what defined standard or specification? ". If I
assert that a Web Service is compliant with WS-I Basic Profile
1.0, that assertion can be tested either manually by reviewing its
characteristics against the published rules or in an automated
fashion using one or more tools. In short, my compliance claim
could be verified.
This vendor's claim of "SOA compliance" can neither be proved nor
disproved in absence of some finite set of compliance tests or at
least a widely agreed upon specific definition. Their claim is
like claiming "object orientation compliant" or "distributed
computing compliant" or "client server compliant". It is a
marketing construct and useless for any real evaluation of their
product.
Thanks,
Mark
From: service-orientated- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:service-orientated-architecture@ yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Teresa Jones
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 9:30 AM
To: service-orientated-architecture@ yahoogroups.com
Subject: [service-orientated -architecture] SOA-compliant
I'm currently looking at a CRM product that the vendor claims is
'SOA-compliant' yet it is also claimed to be an n-tier
architecture. A
quick search on the concept of SOA-compliance brought up this
article:-
http://blogs.ittoolbox. com/eai/engineering/archives/my-soa-
compliant -toaster-and-cell- phone-7362
which was quite fun!
I suspect that the CRM vendor concerned actually means that you can
integrate with it using web services....
Question for the group - can an application be regarded as
SOA-compliant? Or is that rather a meaningless phrase?
thanks
Teresa
Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell.
