tflan wrote:
Speaking of dynamic lie testing, I just finished a session about an hour ago. The shafts were all weight sorted, spine aligned, "flo'd" and set to the lengths the customer needed. Using the "standard" 60° 5 iron lie angle as a starting point, I had the guy hit shots from a half sheet (4'x4') of 3/8" masonite. He wore his tennis shoes rather than spiked(less) golf shoes to be sure of a level lie. I used 3/4" masking tape, center marked, on the soles of the irons. The guy hit every club in the set at least 5 times, with adjustments as needed. All the wedges were adjusted 2° upright. The 7 and 8 irons were up 3°. The 9 iron up 1°. The 4,5,6 were up 3° and the 3 iron up 5° ! Then, after setting the lie angles, I had the guy hit shots with impact tape attached. Nearly every shot was squarely in the center of the face. (An aside; for impact tape, get some of that blue, 2" wide, painter's tape. It works really well and is a hell of a lot cheaper than the printed stuff GS sells.)
The golfer is a really low handicapper - about a 2 or 3. He's not a "chop" or a "hack." The guy knows the swing and he knows what he wants. He's a "hitter" rather than a "swinger." After adjusting the lies, goofy as they may seem, the guy was getting the ball flight he wanted - straight/slight fade, and long.
I guess the point is the same as I've been trying to make here for a long time. There's no standard per set, per club within a set, or for any golfer. I send this note simply to remind all the "custom" guys out there who have machines and software and theories that no matter what method one uses to fit a golfer to a set, or vice-versa, there's no method - not a single one - that can replace empirical testing.
TFlan
----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Joyce <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 10:58 AM Subject: Re: ShopTalk: best dynamic fitting
Royce, What do you usually recommend to the customer at this point, mostly feel? Alan
----- Original Message ----- From: Royce Engler <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 11:28 AM Subject: RE: ShopTalk: best dynamic fitting
I have a set of three Golfsmith fitting irons made up with a
nominal R flex shaft, and set at lie angles of 57*, 60*, and
63*. I used them to see if the customer has a consistent
enough swing to move the impact points as the lie angle
changes. I've had customers who hit on the toe on all three
clubs with no movement of the impact marks. Just one more
tool in the kit....
Royce
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Lloyd Hackman Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 6:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ShopTalk: best dynamic fitting
You should not do lie testing until you can use the shaft
the player is going to play with.
llhack
----- Original Message ----- From: Al Taylor <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 7:39 PM Subject: Re: ShopTalk: best dynamic fitting
Alan,
With the usual caveat of all other things being equal,
the Balistik is drooping and you need about 2 degrees
toe up on it. The usual accepted method is to find
the center of the club by finding the half way point
of the score lines. Mark that point and swing away. Not the center of the scuff marks, measure from the
marked center point and adjust. Yes, stronger swing
speeds will cause more droop.
Al
At 08:41 PM 3/9/2003, you wrote:
What is the best way to do a dynmaic fitting. I ask
because I have the golfsmith fitting iron that is 60
degree and 38 inch five iron. In this I have a
Balistik shaft at the regular flex using the old
software. I also a snake eyes viper that was hand
picked to 60 and is 38 inches. I have an apache pm30
at R3. What I find is that with the Golfsmith fitting
iron I hit a1/2 inch toward the toe. The viper, I hit
in the middle or what I would see as the centre
bottom. Should there be a difference or is the
Balistik drooping too much. I'm wondering, for
stronger swing speeds, if this causes more droop in
the shaft leading to incorrect lie measurements.
Alan
