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Absolutely! When I do a complete lie angle test with a
customer, we do every club.... Having said that, not all customers get the full
treatment....
Royce
Speaking of dynamic lie testing, I just finished
a session about an hour ago. The shafts were all weight sorted, spine aligned,
"flo'd" and set to the lengths the customer needed. Using the "standard" 60° 5
iron lie angle as a starting point, I had the guy hit shots from a half sheet
(4'x4') of 3/8" masonite. He wore his tennis shoes rather than spiked(less)
golf shoes to be sure of a level lie. I used 3/4" masking tape, center marked,
on the soles of the irons. The guy hit every club in the set at least 5 times,
with adjustments as needed. All the wedges were adjusted 2° upright. The 7 and
8 irons were up 3°. The 9 iron up 1°. The 4,5,6 were up 3° and the 3 iron up
5° ! Then, after setting the lie angles, I had the guy hit shots with
impact tape attached. Nearly every shot was squarely in the center of the
face. (An aside; for impact tape, get some of that blue, 2" wide, painter's
tape. It works really well and is a hell of a lot cheaper than the printed
stuff GS sells.)
The golfer is a really low handicapper - about a
2 or 3. He's not a "chop" or a "hack." The guy knows the swing and he knows
what he wants. He's a "hitter" rather than a "swinger." After adjusting the
lies, goofy as they may seem, the guy was getting the ball flight he
wanted - straight/slight fade, and long.
I guess the point is the same as I've been trying
to make here for a long time. There's no standard per set, per club within a
set, or for any golfer. I send this note simply to remind all the "custom"
guys out there who have machines and software and theories that no matter what
method one uses to fit a golfer to a set, or vice-versa, there's no method -
not a single one - that can replace empirical testing.
TFlan
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 10:58
AM
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: best dynamic
fitting
Royce,
What do you usually recommend to the customer
at this point, mostly feel?
Alan
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 11:28
AM
Subject: RE: ShopTalk: best dynamic
fitting
I have a set of three Golfsmith fitting irons made up with a
nominal R flex shaft, and set at lie angles of 57*, 60*, and 63*. I
used them to see if the customer has a consistent enough swing to move the
impact points as the lie angle changes. I've had customers who hit
on the toe on all three clubs with no movement of the impact marks.
Just one more tool in the kit....
Royce
You should not do lie testing until you can use the
shaft the player is going to play with.
llhack
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 7:39
PM
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: best
dynamic fitting
Alan,
With the usual caveat of all other things
being equal, the Balistik is drooping and you need about 2 degrees toe
up on it. The usual accepted method is to find the center of the
club by finding the half way point of the score lines. Mark that
point and swing away. Not the center of the scuff marks, measure
from the marked center point and adjust. Yes, stronger swing
speeds will cause more droop.
Al
At 08:41 PM 3/9/2003,
you wrote:
What is the best way to do a dynmaic fitting. I ask because I
have the golfsmith fitting iron that is 60 degree and 38 inch five
iron. In this I have a Balistik shaft at the regular flex using the
old software. I also a snake eyes viper that was hand picked to 60
and is 38 inches. I have an apache pm30 at R3. What I find is that
with the Golfsmith fitting iron I hit a1/2 inch toward the toe. The
viper, I hit in the middle or what I would see as the centre bottom.
Should there be a difference or is the Balistik drooping too much.
I'm wondering, for stronger swing speeds, if this causes more droop
in the shaft leading to incorrect lie measurements.
Alan
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