Tom,
Same thing happened to me with KZG. I invested over $4000 on their
components the first year using them because I thought they had very good
components and their tolerances were pretty darn good. I built three wedges
for a local charity golf event, their heads, shafts and the grips had their
logo on them. Here I am trying to market their product and realized they did
not send me shaft labels. I called them and ask them to send out three
labels and later on found out they charged my credit card they had on file
.10 ea. for the labels and .35 for them to ship them out to me. That was the
last they heard from me.
Pat-On Target Golf LLC
Turnersville, NJ
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
----- Original Message -----
From: "TOM FLANAGAN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ShopTalk@mail.msen.com>
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 10:38 PM
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Epoxy
Well o.k. You own your foundries. You build your heads
in them. You are the person there on the spot. O.K.
I'm with ya there. Good. I'm guessing that KZ is the
only mfr in the world, other than the early Callaway
stuff that was built in Arizona by Ruger, or the heads
forged at Smith & Wesson's forges in Springfield, Mass
(I was there and saw it in action). Good for you.
As for buying your stuff . . . I tried to do that very
thing when I was in biz in So CA. Every single person
at KZ was nothing more than a giant pain where the sun
don't shine. EVERY ONE. You build a fine product and
maybe your staff has been educated in customer
relations, but my experience with KZ was nothing less
than an embarrassment. If my people had treated my
customers the way your people treated me, I'd have
been out of business early on. I was there when you
were starting up and I tried to do business with you.
Sadly it never happened.
Epoxy? Thanks for the info and I will follow up on it.
Doing biz with KZ? Based upon my limited early
experience? Nope?
Thanks again.
TFlan
--- Robert Devino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Tom like I said 3M DP810 or DP820 would be great
for you you can buy it in 1.7 oz dual tube
dispensers for $15 to $20.
I don't know where you get your info about KZG not
making thier own product. I am the lead builder
here and we build a good number of sets each day.
We design our heads ourselves and we are the only
ones that do a double forgeing as far as I know and
only ourselves and Muire are still done in foundries
in Japan not China. We have shafts that are designed
by Kim Braley the designer of the rifle shafts
called BTR (Better Through Research) and they play
very similarly to a Rifle Project X. These shafts
are made on a machine that was manufactured just to
make this shaft. Which you can't really get a real
"Project X" any more since Callaway bought the
rights to the name. It frequencies so consistantly I
can take an original freuency dry fitting with the
head I am using and calculate my tipping to almost
an exact frequency desired. We don't do tipping
instructions here anymore since I took over and
every club in every set we make is +/- 1 frequency
of its
desired slope. By the way I can use this one shaft
to get anywhere from a 4.0 to a 6.5 on the rifle
chart no need to carry a whole bunch of different
flexes. We also have other shafts that are made
exclusively for us.
So we have heads that we design and to be honest we
have had to send threatening letters to companies
like Titliest and others for making direct copies of
our product, and we have shafts that no one else can
get. Do we make our own glue? Ugh no, and I never
said we did, oh yeah we don't make our own ferules
either.
So if any of you guys want to get access to the best
steel shaft made right now you need to become a KZG
dealer!
Sincerely,
Robert Devino
14252 Delano St.
Van Nuys, Ca. 91401
----- Original Message ----
From: TOM FLANAGAN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: ShopTalk@mail.msen.com
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 9:13:26 AM
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Epoxy
Thanks for the info. However, if you'll re-read my
post you'll note that I'm not in the biz any longer,
other than some part-time work. Thus, I have no need
for large quantities of expensive epoxy direct from
the "source". Clearly, Golfworks et al, do not
manufacture the products they sell. For that matter,
neither does KZ Golf. They buy from the maker.
If I wanted to go to a source for epoxy I'd likely
go
to Lusol/India. However, I don't use enough to
justify
the cost, even though it's $0.75 per set. I don't do
enough sets to pay for the $46.00/pint hit.
Thanks again for the info.
TFlan
So buy from the source not the middle man
> like Golfworks. I mean you don't really think
> Golfworks makes their own epoxy do you ???
>
> Sincerely,
> Robert Devino
> 14252 Delano St.
> Van Nuys, Ca. 91401
> Lead Builder KZGolf
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Don M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: ShopTalk@mail.msen.com
> Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 6:01:40 AM
> Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Epoxy
>
> I am not fond of thin epoxies. I'd like to know
> which
> brands are of a more "normal" viscosity than GW's.
>
> -Don M
>
> --- Tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Anybody fed up with the crap epoxy from
Golfworks?
> > The clear and black
> > stuff? I'm on my 3rd or 4th shipment of it and I
> > hate it! Thin, no body,
> > really low heating point.
>
>
>
>
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