This is the exact reason why Whois Privacy is needed... An identical email at 
the same time was sent to an alternate email address [email protected], 
which is not used anywhere else except for contact with APNIC.

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Regards,
Christopher Hawker
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From: Amrita Choudhury <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2025 12:35 PM
To: Christopher Hawker <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [sig-policy] Re: prop-162-v001: WHOIS Privacy

Dear Christopher,

Apologies that initial reading made me think that the proposal is to remove 
WhoiS information.

However, even if we consider it is for the bulk data, with the data provided by 
Vivek of 400 entities signing the agreement with APNIC  to have access to this 
data so far and  one  known case of abuse  (which was then acted upon), the 
issue does not seem so grave that  it needs to be considered for a policy 
change,  at least for now.

Regards

Amrita

On Wed, Jan 22, 2025 at 3:30 AM Christopher Hawker 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

Good morning Amrita,

I am yet to hear of one organisation, that accepts support requests through 
Abuse, IRT or Network Operations contacts listed in the Whois database. If the 
organisation is large enough they will have separate support teams for 
customers and network operations engineers who perform two different functions 
in a business and where they are small enough that the same team runs both 
areas, they may have the same contact information for both purposes (support 
and NOC).

What would be a use case for a law enforcement organisation to retrieve contact 
information for network operators in bulk? If it's in relation to a technical 
matter they'd be able to retrieve contact information from either the Whois 
website or by accessing the Whois server directly on port 43.

I can not think of a reason why an organisation would need to download contact 
information in bulk, so if you are privy to anything which I am not, please do 
share.

Regards,
Christopher Hawker

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