Except one additional email, there appears to be nothing to suggest mass
violation of who is database.

Regards
Anupam Agrawal.

On Thu, 23 Jan, 2025, 17:28 Christopher Hawker, <[email protected]>
wrote:

> This is the exact reason why Whois Privacy is needed... An identical email
> at the same time was sent to an alternate email address
> [email protected], which is not used anywhere else except for contact
> with APNIC.
>
>
> Regards,
> Christopher Hawker
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Amrita Choudhury <[email protected]>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 22, 2025 12:35 PM
> *To:* Christopher Hawker <[email protected]>
> *Cc:* [email protected] <[email protected]>
> *Subject:* Re: [sig-policy] Re: prop-162-v001: WHOIS Privacy
>
> Dear Christopher,
>
> Apologies that initial reading made me think that the proposal is to
> remove WhoiS information.
>
> However, even if we consider it is for the bulk data, with the data
> provided by Vivek of 400 entities signing the agreement with APNIC  to
> have access to this data so far and  one  known case of abuse  (which was
> then acted upon), the issue does not seem so grave that  it needs to be
> considered for a policy change,  at least for now.
>
> Regards
>
> Amrita
>
> On Wed, Jan 22, 2025 at 3:30 AM Christopher Hawker <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> Good morning Amrita,
>
> I am yet to hear of one organisation, that accepts support requests
> through Abuse, IRT or Network Operations contacts listed in the Whois
> database. If the organisation is large enough they will have separate
> support teams for customers and network operations engineers who perform
> two different functions in a business and where they are small enough that
> the same team runs both areas, they may have the same contact information
> for both purposes (support and NOC).
>
> What would be a use case for a law enforcement organisation to retrieve
> contact information for network operators in bulk? If it's in relation to a
> technical matter they'd be able to retrieve contact information from either
> the Whois website or by accessing the Whois server directly on port 43.
>
> I can not think of a reason why an organisation would need to download
> contact information in bulk, so if you are privy to anything which I am
> not, please do share.
>
> Regards,
> Christopher Hawker
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