I agree, its great work - I quizzed Geoff last night at #growthtown on the
logic of not doing a traditional ESOP. The approach makes a lot of sense
where the board genuinely do want the employees to see upside (via
dividends) at the time the company prospers as opposed to a liquidity event.
Likely works best for companies who are growing organically supported by
profits.

On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 8:12 AM, Niki Scevak <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> Legend Geoff! This is fantastic. I posted on
> http://www.startup-australia.org/option-grants-in-australia so that we
> all can refer back to it in the future.
>
> On Mar 31, 11:31 pm, Geoff McQueen - Hiive Systems
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Hi Alan,
> >
> > Thanks for taking the time to reply - those two articles were up the
> right alley and worth having a read of.
> >
> > Since last week's email, things have moved along well and I've got a good
> plan in place with the team.
> >
> > For the benefit of people trying to do this stuff in the future, this is
> a short version of what I've found:
> >
> > 1. Granting shares directly to staff means the recipient has to pay tax
> when they're granted at their marginal tax rate. This isn't good for an
> individual's cash flow. The alternative is fringe benefits tax paid by the
> company, which is government endorsed extortion (now well above the top
> marginal tax rate, which itself doesn't kick in until much higher up the
> income scale than it used to). Options are less evil than shares in this
> respect, but there's still some evilness.
> >
> > 2. One solution is to use a Unit Trust. In very brief terms, the trust is
> set up separate to the employer, the company then lends money to the trust,
> usually interest free, and the trust then buys stock in the company. By
> issuing new stock, the company doesn't have a CGT issue to deal with (since
> you're not really selling existing shareholders pieces of pie, but instead
> growing the pie). The employees are then allocated units in this trust which
> are effectively stapled to the shares that the trust holds for them.
> Employees then, through the trust, own the shares from day one, but they're
> subject to a loan. You can pay dividends to the employees from day one also
> (not that the tech types reading this list are likely to focus on
> dividends).
> >
> > 3. Employees can then have the 'loan' owed by the trust on their behalf
> paid down gradually through bonuses/vesting conditions and the like.
> >
> > 4. When it comes time to sell the shares - because of a trade sale, other
> liquidity event or because the employee wants to sell them once they're paid
> down and they've vested - the value of the share at the issue price is taxed
> as if it were normal income (i.e., subject to marginal tax rates). The
> capital gain is taxed as CGT, and if they've held the asset for more than 12
> months - which they bloody should have if you're making them vest - then
> they get the concessional CGT tax rate (effectively 25% of the capital gain
> value is then taxed as if it were normal income I believe). The important
> part of this principle is that they don't pay tax until they've got cash in
> their hands.
> >
> > 5. The costs for setting up the trust are tax deductible, including the
> costs associated with professional advice on its configuration and rules.
> >
> > 6. The costs for running the trust are also tax deductible.
> >
> > 7. You can get a private tax ruling on the trust and the scheme to ensure
> you don't get surprises later.
> >
> > There are a bunch more models that are a variation on this that you can
> do too. If you're going to issue stock without vesting limits, and if you're
> going to issue is to more than 75% of your staff on a fairly homogenous
> basis, then you can issue $1000 per annum worth of shares completely tax
> free; that model is covered in the attachment too.
> >
> > I've been getting some good advice on this from John Day at the
> Melbourne-based Remuneration Strategies Group. Attached is a bit of an
> overview of the different types of plans that they were commissioned to put
> together by the Federal Government for just this sort of challenge. As with
> all things, it's just a starting point, but I found the summary pretty
> valuable.
> >
> > Hope this helps someone else down the track... if I'd had this PDF months
> ago, it would have saved me a lot of grief.
> >
> > Geoff
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [email protected] [mailto:
> [email protected]] On Behalf Of mmp1
> > Sent: Thursday, 26 March 2009 1:51 AM
> > To: Silicon Beach Australia
> > Subject: [SiliconBeach] Re: Advice/Experience Request: Employee
> Share/Option schemes
> >
> > Geoff,
> >
> > i found these interesting also :
> >
> > http://www.mallesons.com/publications/2008/Nov/9710401W.htm
> >
> > http://www.mallesons.com/publications/2008/Dec/9722927w.htm
> >
> > Alan.
> >
> >
> >
> >  RSG ESP & SOP.PDF
> > 3538KViewDownload
> >
>

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