Personally, I *prefer* magical thinking...

Dan

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Indi [mailto:indule...@comcast.net] 
> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 1:34 PM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>blue moons revisited
> 
> On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 01:57:20PM +0000, M. G. Devour wrote:
> > Someone asks Ken:
> > > >> What mehod did you use to verify that it was still ionic and 
> > > >> unchanged?
> > 
> > Ken wrote:
> > > > ## EC meter.
> > > > Colloids don't conduct electricity.
> > 
> > Indi replies:
> > > That is incorrect. Even tap water will conduct electricity.
> > 
> > I say:
> > 
> > Huh? Any tap water I've ever seen or heard of has scads of 
> dissolved 
> > minerals in it, which provide ions that make it hightly conductive.
> > 
> 
> That is true.
> 
> > As far as any of our sages have ever been able to determine, 
> > conductivity meters can only pick up the effect of ions. To 
> the extent 
> > colloidal particles exist in your brew, they won't 
> contribute to the 
> > conductivity.
> >
> 
> What I mean is that measuring for conductivity is no 
> guarantee of ionic silver specifically, particularly if the 
> solution in question is five years old. Truly gas-tight 
> containers certainly exist, but are not the norm (that's the 
> reason sealed packaging exists). If you place your solution 
> in a bottle or jar and just screw the lid on, five years 
> later you will have had all sorts of chemical activity going 
> on in that container. (unless it was stored in the dark in a 
> vacuum, and the cap as well as the container is glasss). You 
> can measure for conductivity, but that will not give proof of 
> a given solution being "unchanged".
> 
> I don't mean to get into an argument or anything, but it's 
> just the way things are. Ionic solutions are volatile (have a 
> short shelf life), and are photo-sensitive by nature. That is 
> why medicinal ionic solutions (for insstance those commonly 
> known  as "iodine" and "mercurachrome") always came packaged 
> in brown glass bottles.
> 
> When someone tells me he kept some ionic solution for five 
> years and measuring for conductivity "proved" the solution 
> was still pristine, I feel obligated to point out that he has 
> not proved that at all.
> It is hard enough to determine proper facts in this field of 
> study, after all.
> 
> BTW, one can easily test this at home; measure the 
> conductivity of a jar of plain distilled water, then store 
> the jar for a few months, then measure again.
> You will see much more conductivity after. :)
> 
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