Thanks Guenter! It still leaves some questions, but definitely sounds like a good start.
Atoms are not always spherical. Many years back I read a Scientific American on monatomic atoms. Because of the interaction of the weak and strong forces, some of them turn into bowling pin shapes. James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com -----Original Message----- From: Guenter Poelz [SMTP:po...@mail.desy.de] Sent: Thursday, December 09, 1999 12:00 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>RE:Particle size -LV and HV Hello James, many thanks for your interest "James Osbourne, Holmes" schrieb: > > Hi Guenter, > > Thanks for your continuing comments. Here are my opininions: >Is the O2 the dipole? Or the Silver?. O2 is symmetric. Two oxygen atoms are symmetrically bound to a molecule with nobel gas like ends. The bond is strong. This can not be a dipole by itself because it is not left-right asymmetric. (Because it is not a sphere, it has higher asymmetries. It forms a "quadrupole" like - + + - but this is not of interest here.) All atoms are spherical. Thus they are not intrinsic dipoles. Many molecules also don't form dipoles. But if they are inserted into an outer electric field, they are polarised: outer elctrons are pulled toward the anode and the body is pulled toward the cathode. This is an induced dipole, induced by the outer electric field. The induced dipole moment (the strength of the dipole) of O2 will be weak because the electrons are strongly bound. But metals give strong induced dipoles, because the outer electrons are very weakly attached. >How does the separate rotation of the ions translate into a > rotation of the bulk around the arc bars? I don't see any electric or magnetic effect which could lead to a circular movement. But often such things occur because your setup is not totally symmetric (the same with the waterflow in your bath tub). E.g. the suspended electrode is slightly bent or the obstacles in the water are not left-right symmetric. >If it reverses each cycle, what > is the force which is unbalanced enough to hold the cone up? You apply maximum and zero energy to the water during half a cycle. In the next cycle again in the same direction etc.. You will have in average (over time) a mean positive (upward) energy applied. This is the mean gravitational energy the water gains. Depending on the resonant properties of the water cone, it will oscillate between a maximum and a minimum value. The average must be positive. That's how I see it, Gunter > James Osbourne Holmes > a...@trail.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Guenter Poelz [SMTP:po...@mail.desy.de] > Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 12:17 PM > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: CS>RE:Particle size -LV and HV > > James, > the global effect is independent from polarity. When the wire is > positively charged, the negative end of the dipole is attracted and > will be directed closer to the wire, the positive is repulsed, is > further away. During the negative cycle of the wire, the whole thing is > reversed. During both polarities of the wire the dipoles are attracted > (because of the different distances of the dipole charges to the wire), > but the dipoles change permanently their directions. > Because attraction and repulsion both take place simultaneously, the > force on a dipole in an unhomogeneous field is weaker as on a singular > charge (e.g. an ion). > you see, the dipole is permanently oscillating or rotating in an > alternating electrical field. > If there is also a magnetic field, as it is around an electric current, > there are also forces transverse to that field, which makes the movement > more complicated. > > I hope you can agree, > Gunter > > "James Osbourne, Holmes" schrieb: snip.......... -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour <mdev...@id.net>
