Mike, If this isn't badmouthing I don't know what is. These are your words from another post with my comments..
"Silvergen --------- I can't find any Silvergen model at $99. If you mean the SG5A, it seems to be $119, which is $20 higher than the SilverPuppy. http://www.silvergen.com/General/technica.htm "Our electrodes are .25 inches wide and .013 inches thick. If they are submersed 4 inches, the total surface area will be 4.21 square inches. This is 2.5 times the wetted surface area of 14 gauge wires. Therefore the current density of 14 gauge wires will be 2.5 times higher than the electrodes we use. What this means is, the amount of silver released using our electrodes will be so spread out over the surface of the electrodes, it will be releasing at a slower pace. If the silver is released more slowly, the particles are smaller. They will also be more uniform in size because of the constant current regulator and stirring. The result is a more uniform, small particle size colloid." A 0.013 flat ribbon will be difficult to keep straight. This means it will be difficult to keep a uniform electrode spacing from top to bottom. Not really. Let's use the SG6 as the example. This isn't rocket science and most people can see when two electrodes are fairly parallel because they're attached to the unit with binding posts. While a small variation probably doesn't matter, you will be constantly fussing with it and wondering if it is affecting the results. It is not worth the hassle. Only a frig would fuss with something not needing fussing with. I'd go with 12 ga. wire. It is much stronger and will eliminate this area of concern. They claim an area of 4.21 square inches. I don't see where they get the extra 0.21 square inches, unless they are counting the edge effect. This is actually a bad thing, since it increases the current density and leads to larger particles. Round wire has uniform current density. It is 4.21 inches because I did use edge area. And it is NOT a bad thing except in your mind. Parallel plates work quite well. The current density is lower than 12 or 14 ga. wire. The area calculation is wrong. 4 inches of 0.25" wide material has an area of 1 square inch. I'm not sure they can assume the other side has equal current distribution, but if it does, the total is only 2 square inches. The area is 4 inches. Nowhere on our site is it stated that only the inside of one electrode is the area to use in any calculations. Each electrode has about 1 square inch of surface area per side. There are two sides to each electrode. There are 2 electrodes. That equals 4 inches. If they are adding the anode and cathode together to arrive at a total, they are deceiving you. The current density is calculated using either electrode, not both. No deceit. Just facts. The total square inches of electrodes is as stated. Current density is still much less than with wire. If you only want to discuss the anode and only the side facing the cathode, your calculation is correct. Do the same with wire and only count the side facing the cathode using a 4 inch wire. Their information is wrong and very deceiving. Tell me this is not badmouthing..... http://www.silvergen.com/ "SG5A and SG5B are the original models we brought to the market years ago. They use the same constant current internal regulator as the SG6 but do not have auto shut-off, a stirring motor or variable PPM control. They use external electrodes. This colloid generator comes with a four page instruction sheet, 3 foot long electrode lead, 2 - 1/4" wide, 5" long .999 pure silver electrodes and operates off standard 120 volt wall current. The hi intensity light emitting diode (LED) indicator serves triple purpose. It indicates power ON/OFF when the unit is first turned on. When the cable is inserted into the jack and the electrodes are placed in the water it then acts as a water quality indicator. If the light comes on when the electrodes are first inserted into the water, the water is not good. It has minerals in it which will hinder the process. With "good" water, once the process has started, the LED then acts as a current flow indicator." The water quality indicator shuts the system off if it thinks the water is no good. Not true unless the water has enough mineralization to equal the resistance that would be in the water if it was silver. The generator works on voltage drop across a resistance and the generator only shuts off if that resistance is reached. Poor water will shut it down of course and that's a good feature. Marginal water will be seen as the production light coming on immediately. I have it calibrated to come on somewhere in the 3 uS range. Under that and it stays off at startup. It then comes on as the water reaches that level during production and stays on until shutdown. It works as a water test light.... an in production light and an indicator of process completion. Works perfectly as a triple purpose light. A no brainer..... This prevents you from seeding a new batch with some from a previous run. So you cannot speed the process if your distilled water is very good quality. NOT TRUE. See the previous answer. Once the first batch is done, one can seed the subsequent batches if they use water of known quality which is what was determined on the first batch. "SG5A inside view. This generator uses the same constant current regulator as the SG6 but does not have automatic shutoff, variable PPM control or the stirring motor. You run the unit for a given time to produce the strength in PPM you desire. It can make CS up to 15 PPM with no color. Higher concentrations can produce a yellow color CS because of agglomeration. This unit is identical to the SG5B but can not work with external DC voltages from 9 to 40 volts as the SG5B can." Although the cheaper model has no stirring motor, I think their approach to mount the unit on top of the water container is a bit risky. I'd be concerned about it tipping over and spilling water all over the place. You do not need water spills where electricity is involved. Also, the unit may fall to the floor and be damaged. What a ridiculous idea. The unit sits squarely centered on a jar of water. In fact it is a preferred method because the electrodes are automatically centered in the water and wetted depth is always the same if they fill the vessel to the same height each time. The overall design of the Silvergen is not as carefully thought out as the SilverPuppy. The price is $20 higher. You have to assemble the unit. The flat strips will be impossible to keep straight. Their calculations on electrode surface area are wrong and deceiving. Our design is much more sophisticated than the Silver Puppy (sorry Ken but we both know it's true.) Mike, you are the one deceiving the list members. Do you really think variable PPM control, stirring motor and auto shutoff are poor features. As I said earlier. Give me a break. Go attack someone else for a while. I'd go with the SilverPuppy. > url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m60182.html > Re: CS>$$$ perpectives > From: Trem > Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 18:08:47 > > > Hopefully you won't find something else to fault our units. I > > think they're the best ones available. Too bad you hadn't tried > > one before you started badmouthing them. > > Hi Trem, > > I really didn't know anyone made siver generators with flat electrodes > until you started posting. I am not badmouthing you or your product. Are you still sticking with your story of not badmouthing our generators.
