hasn't there been posts to this list, describing the use of CS, in IV protocols, in europe???
jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Holmes" <ami...@starband.net> To: <silver-list@eskimo.com> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 10:03 AM Subject: RE: CS>Re: [sillver_list] Re: CS>Re: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux > Hi Marshall, > > I agree. The organs were loaded. I don't think the report spoke of > vascular occlusion tho, but I have only read a synopsis. > > A silver colloid will be excreted too, according to our friend and former > list participant Roger Altman's study [with a population of one, himself]. > Metallic silver will probably not be excreted. > > When you calculate the amount of water you would have to drink to get a dose > of 3.8 grams, with 10 ppm sol, the water will be toxic before the silver. > > Should the need arise I would not hesitate to self-administer via IV the > silver that I make. How much bacteria can fall in during the brief time > that I pour the DW or before I put the lid on the generator? Not enough to > Herx. And there will certainly be no live ones there. > > Got 4 million? Then you can prove that CS is not pyrogenic and get it FDA > approved. > > > JOH > > -----Original Message----- > From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@execonn.com] > Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 8:31 AM > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: CS>Re: [sillver_list] Re: CS>Re: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux > > > > I don't see how injecting fine metal power of any kind has any relation to > the amount of that metal being toxic. I would think that metal power would > very effectively block up the blood vessels, and once you block the vessels > to the brain or heart death would certainly follow. Toxcitiy could be > totally different for a colloid, or compound. > > Marshall > > James Holmes wrote: > > > Please note folk, 3.8 g. Is the TOXIC dose, NOT the lethal dose. > > Dogs (don't remember the weight) were killed with 1 gram of fine metal > > powder injected. Not intentionally; they were trying to create a > > blood problem to study. It is in John Hill's book. Who would ever want > > to get anywhere that, and how could you do it even if 10 times the > > required dose was administered? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Trem [mailto:t...@silvergen.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 8:19 PM > > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Subject: Re: CS>Re: [sillver_list] Re: CS>Re: Nebulizing CS for SARS > > Redux > > > > Hi Jason, > > > > As I said earlier....am I missing something. Thanks for pointing out > > the reason it isn't a no brainer. Remember, I'm just a designer and > > not a physician. Although if it was an animal I owned, I'd probably > > try it since the critter would probably be a goner if something wasn't > > tried. Too bad they don't have any animals with SARS to try it on. > > That would produce some definitive results just as trying it on a > > human would. > > > > The thing in your post that bothers me is this. Why is distilled > > water poisonous if is composed of H20 and has no impurities? It would > > be pure by definition if distilled or deionized wouldn't it? Or is it > > that a small amount of water is too much for the body to assimilate? > > I don't think so since it is used in injections all the time. > > > > What is a pyrogen? And why would that be in properly distilled water? > > > > Of course silver is incredibly potent. That's the reason for using > > it. But as Jim just pointed out, the lethal dose is 3.8 grams. I'm > > talking about using tenths or hundredths of milligrams, not grams. > > > > Regards, > > > > Trem > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jason Eaton" <ey...@cox.net> > > To: <silver-list@eskimo.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 7:03 PM > > Subject: Re: CS>Re: [sillver_list] Re: CS>Re: Nebulizing CS for SARS > > Redux > > > > > Trem: > > > > > > There are quite a few factors you are not accounting for: > > > > > > 1. Distilled water injected into the bloodstream can cause shock > > > leading > > to > > > death. The Sol must be titrated properly; it must be prepared > > > properly. > > > > > > 2. A product that is not certified pyrogen free can easily cause > > > death in someone who is already sick. It is not enough that a sol > > > be sterile, it cannot have any endotoxin or any substances that may > > > induce a immune response. > > > > > > 3. Silver injected into the bloodstream is incredibly potent. If > > > an MD does not have the experience in this, hesitation can certainly > > > be understandable. > > > > > > 4. Any of the above, if done by an MD, may easily constitute > > > criminal malpractice. In the US, such an MD without proper > > > justification could easily do federal time. > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > Jason > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Trem" <t...@silvergen.com> > > > To: <silver-list@eskimo.com> > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 6:17 PM > > > Subject: CS>Re: [sillver_list] Re: CS>Re: Nebulizing CS for SARS > > > Redux > > > > > > > > > > Hi Catherine, > > > > > > > > I may be missing something here. If so, please excuse me. If > > > > deionized > > > or > > > > distilled water is used in injections and silver is benign, why is > > > > it > > not > > > a > > > > no brainer to inject properly made CS intravenously as a trial > > > > protocol? > > > It > > > > seems that it would be immediately known to the casual observer if > > > > the patient was getting any better since silver works so quickly. > > > > It also > > > seems > > > > to me the blood titer would show a decrease in SARS almost > > > > immediately > > > which > > > > would be the definitive answer. If one used a mix of standard CS > > > > which > > is > > > > normally composed of 70-90% ions and the remainder being colloids, > > > > it > > > would > > > > cover the bases of which is effective since both would be > > > > circulating in > > > the > > > > system. It wouldn't matter which did the job of they were to see > > > > a > > > decrease > > > > in viral load and/or the patient responded favorably. > > > > > > > > Mikes idea of using predominantly ionic silver which his process > > > > seems > > to > > > > produce doesn't carry as much weight with me as he seems to think > > > > it > > does. > > > > An ion is an ion and the ions he produces cannot be any different > > > > than > > an > > > > ion any device produces. The major difference can only be the > > > > ratio of > > > ions > > > > to particles and the size of the particles. If the mix is made > > > > using a > > > good > > > > process, it will always be crystal clear indicating the colloids > > > > are > > > within > > > > the small range of being colorless. > > > > > > > > As Bob Lee once pointed out there are about 1.41252 X 10+18 atoms > > > > in one teaspoon of CS made to 20+ PPM. I would think it wouldn't > > > > take too much > > > in > > > > an intravenous solution to see some dramatic results. > > > > > > > > And let's remember, an IV of distilled water isn't going to do any > > damage > > > so > > > > why wouldn't someone try this just to see if it works? Or as I > > > > said earlier, is there something I missed. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > Trem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I became involved with this group and actually had the > > > > > opportunity > > to > > > > > present CS to them during a conference call. At that time, my > > thoughts > > > > were > > > > > running along the lines of nebulizing. > > > > > > > > > > Since then, they've considered oral (very difficult because > > > > > most > > > > patients > > > > > are too ill to drink) and IV. They are really skeptical about > > > > > the > > > latter > > > > > because I can't produce enough material that speaks of efficacy > > > > > with > > > this. > > > > > > > > > >> Regards, > > > > > Catherine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal > > silver. > > > > > > > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: > > > > > http://silverlist.org > > > > > > > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > > > > > > > > Silver-list archive: > > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > > > > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour <mdev...@eskimo.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
