Hi Ode, The T.E. is in no way connected to ionic silver, only particles.
I have seen reduction in Ag+ over time in a few batches, that affects the uS/cm readings of a PWT or anyother conductivity meter. Silver ions will agglomerate and not form particles. "Ole Bob" Ode Coyote wrote: > I have run across a strange TE anomolie. > > It is normal for conductivity to drop as particles form since particles don't > contribute to conductivity and they form out of ions over time. > I had previously thought that these converted ions would all contribute to a > stronger TE but here's the thing... > > I made several batches using the latest evolution of the Series 2 silverpuppy > that metered out at around 22 uS with a PWT when done. [I use thermal > convection stirring which does heat the water some] > After sitting for a week or so, re-metering yielded 12 uS but the TE had not > changed significantly from virtually none. > > I ran an experiment to document the effects of heat on conductivity where a > PWT is concerned. [Result: Over a 30 deg F change from 70 to 100 as worst > case high temp, the difference was 2.6 uS. I'm calling it 3 uS..so, that 22 > uS will be known as 19 uS to account for temperature distortion as worst case] > > So, starting at 19 uS dropping to 12 uS and no real change in TE...what > happened? > Is there such a thing as a non conductive "particle" that's too small for > visible light to reflect off of? > Or is the water itself doing something strange that throws the PWT off that > heat soak doesn't explain? > > Anybody have a clue? > Ode > > At 09:36 AM 11/21/2003 -0500, you wrote: > >>>> > > Hi, Jonathan and Ode! > > Thanks for your input. > > The electrodes remained in the > vessel throughout the run. This > was done because it was a > control experiment for weak- > current electrolysis. > > On reflection, I can identify at > contamination or extraneous > factors, though there are reasons > to discount each of them. > > 1) The process took place in an > environment with large amounts of > chalk dust generated every day, i.e. > a school. But chalk dust is mostly > large particulate. On the other hand, > some portion of it is small enough > to collect in people's lungs and > make them cough. > > 2) The process took place in a > place illuminated by fluorescent > lights. And Svedberg discovered that > UV will sinter metallic silver in > water into CS. On the other hand, > the glass tube in a fluorescent light > blocks the large amounts of UV > generated inside the tube. > > 3)The process took place in a > place that received direct sunlight > for much of the day. On the other > hand, the panes of window glass > block out most of the UV in > sunlight. > > So it still remains a mystery to me. > > One thing I have learned, though, is > a greater respect for the Tyndall Effect. > I also wonder why it is not exploited > more, especially as a quantitative > metric. > > We have sophisticated electronics to > measure pH, conductivity, total dissolved > solids, temperature, time control and > so forth. > > Tyndallometry was put on a quantitative > basis in the age of Victorian and > Edwardian science, long before the > availability of electronics. The light > sources back then we heliostats and > carbon arc lamps, which are vastly > inferior compared to the laser diode > pointers affordable by all of us today. > > In fact, there are now green laser > diode pointers on the market that > might make it possible, when used > with a red laser diode, for ordinary > people to do Tyndall spectroscopy. > > Do-it-yourself Tyndallometry and > Tyndall spectroscopy would give us > a handle on particle size distribution > and concentrations of particulate > surface area. If I am not mistaken, > these have important clinical > implications. And after all, our > primary goal is enhancement of > health. > > Well, thank you for your comments. > They have already given me a lot > of food for thought. > > Best wishes, > > Matthew > > <<<< > > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour
