Mucous protects the stomach lining from HCl, without it we form ulcers
in the presence of helobacter the bacteria associated with ulcers.
The pH of the stomach is not constant, although without my reference
physiology texts here in front of me I can not look up the range and if
it ever reaches a neutral or alkaline pH. My point is that the HCl is
not always present in significant amounts. That is amounts sufficient to
provide a quantity of ionic silver with enough chlorine to form silver
chloride.
In the presence of food most of the HCl still might not be available to
form significant amounts of silver chloride.
On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 11:59, David W Kenney wrote:
> I am not convinced that ionic silver forms silver chloride in the
> stomach. For one thing HCl, stomach acid, is only relesed when eating,
> its purpose is to provide the optimum acid pHh for the stomach enzymes
> to work on. But if there is no food there or digestion going on there is
> no HCl secretion.
>
> [ Not true....the pH of your stomach contents is always acidic...meaning
> there is HCl present eating or not. Of course more is secreted when you eat
> something, depending on the need. ]
Perhaps always acidic but even 6.9 is acidic, yet it is near neutral.
>
> Since no one has done in vivo studies of the stomach environment when CS
> is added and actually measured / detected silver chloride I do not buy
> this theory out of hand. Besides why is my home made CS so effecitve
> were this to be true.
>
> { First, pure CS would not form AgCl. And, only the CS is effective
> therapeutically.}
>
> As well why is my mostly ionic CS so effective in food poisoning if this
> is so.
>
> There is more to an in vivo chemical reaction than merely
> extrapolating from in vitro studies. Way more, other wise we would not
> ever have to use live animal models for any studies.
>
> {This doesn't make any sense to me.}
>
You can not precisely mimic the conditions in the stomach in vitro.
There are too many variables that can not be duplicated.
> Last month I got sick on some spoiled lamb steaks, before the end of the
> meal I had to rush to the bathroom, almost passed out several times from
> the cramping. I told my husband to take some CS NOW so he would not get
> sick, he got only mild gas. I drank a cup of CS as soon as I could and
> my food poisoning passed quickly, but not before leaving me in a curled
> up sweated heap on the oh so cool bathroom floor. It took me a few
> minutes to get up, after cramping that hard, so hard I had to have my
> husband hold me up so I could remain seated on the toilet. Not a pretty
> story but if CS turns into silver chloride when food is in the stomach
> WHY did it work for my husband?
>
> {Because the ionic silver is doing nothing for you except if too much is
> taken, the AgCl could be toxic...It doesn't even have the osmotic effect
> that soluble salts have because it is in solid form) It causes minimal
> problems because there are few ions in the body that can take the Cl off the
> Ag ion once it is attached. The effect you are getting is from the
> Colloidal silver...not the ionic silver.}
How do you know the silver ions have no effect in the body. Most of the
chemical reactions in the body involve ions or at least polarized
molecules (areas of local charge) that must fit a receptor.
>
> Too many questions and way too many assumptions being made about what
> those ions actually do in the body.
>
> ( I agree that we have to make assumptions some times...but chemistry is
> chemistry....and these reactions occur. Actually it could be easily tested
> by having someone who gets sick and vomits...vomit in a bottle, filter this
> and add CS and watch for precipitates. As long as they aren't vomiting from
> achlorhydria this should be a valuable test. Point taken.)
Intubating a set of control and experimental subjects, withdrawing
samples at specific times and proper assays would do it. Of course the
contents could change simply by this procedure. Heisinberg Uncertainty
principle at work here -- ensures that we really don't know if what we
measure is an accurate picture or if we have changed the event by the
very act of observing it.
<smile>
Garnet
>
> Dr. Kenney
> Garnet
>
> On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 09:26, Dr. David W. Kenney wrote:
> > silver would form silver chloride in the stomach
> > almost instantly...and little if any...would get into the system.
> > Just make a solution of salt and water...and pour it into a sample of your
> > CS...if there is lots of ionic silver...you will get a white precipitate
> > almost instantly...
> > Dr. Kenney
> >
>
>
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