I think Hadriel is right.

As much as I agree that from a technical perspective, having 302s not 
recursed on by proxies is better, I can't see this generally becoming
the norm in this SIP universe. It's too late for that.

Maybe in SIP Four Dot Oh. 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hadriel Kaplan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 07:32
> To: Dean Willis; Anders Kristensen
> Cc: Audet, Francois (SC100:3055); SIP IETF; Paul Kyzivat; Dan WING
> Subject: RE: [Sip] E.164 - who owns it
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dean Willis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > Proxies that recurse on 302 responses should be taken out 
> and burned 
> > anyhow. It's just a tragically stupid thing to do in most cases. In 
> > the scenarios we're talking about, which probably involve a 
> transition 
> > from a "no charge" IP call to a potentially very expensive 
> (like, up 
> > to $25 a minute for some premium services) PSTN call, the 
> user REALLY 
> > needs to be able to make a decision.
> 
> I think that's a great utopian view, but in the real world 
> that would be impractical.  A great many SIP UA's are 
> ultimately just TDM gateways, providing POTS-type interfaces 
> into the home, or PBX phone lines into the office, etc.  
> Afaik there is no way for them to indicate this redirection 
> to the human, or have a way to be told yes/no by the human.  
> Some people handle this type of thing with an app-server 
> b2bua where it plays out a message and takes in DTMF to make 
> the decision, but I think that's uncommon.
> 
> I think/hope in the common case, if a call goes from one 
> provider to another, the second provider will not recurse it 
> outside of its domain and will pass it back upstream to the 
> calling provider to decide.  I think that because often the 
> billing model between them seems to dictate that.  I have no 
> doubt some cases will occur to validate your concern, but I 
> think market forces will "correct" them naturally over time.  
> Providers have plenty of natural motivation not to piss off 
> their customers and regulators.
> 
> -hadriel
> 
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