On 04/18/2012 06:15 PM, Tony Graziano wrote:
You shouldn't invite violence. I have been known to clobber people
with iPads.
Why am I not surprised by this?
I think the wiki could be clearer, but really I think you are the only
one to make the leap from Bria is bria is bria is bria. It ain't, but
sipfoundry doesn't manuafcture it either. Bria has undergone numerous
name changes in the last 3 or four years. I look for the names to
change "yet again", because why leave something the same?
I am not the only one who has been confused on this point. I have all
the emails from this list for the past year and a half or more. There
have been several people who have been confused about this. I know
sipfoundry does not manufacturer Bria, but you are saying that it is
supported by your software and therefore it is to your advantage to help
your users/customers use your product with whatever different versions
exist of the third party software you say you are interoperable with.
Thanks for making my point about not taking a users view of things.
You guys do realize that the people that use your product are your
customers, right? I know no money changes hands, but you are creating
this for people to use, correct? You want companies big AND small to
embrace your product, correct? There are a number of potential
users/customers who have left your product because they could not get
the help they thought they needed.
Give people more information than they need? That's been done,
numerous times. When they can't follow directions the first few times,
you have to beat them over the head with an iPad and chant "DNS DNS DNS".
I love how you never let go of that bone! You are right, DNS is very
important and I have some things which still need to be configured. The
problem is that I do not think the DNS wiki page is perfectly clear and
I have been give contradictory info on this forum - again, its free
support offered by the sipX community which includes old hats, newbies,
developers and users so that happens. I was told that sipX sets up
everything correctly and that I do not need external DNS SRV records,
but that was not correct. It makes perfect sense now that I would need them.
Understand then fix your DNS and stop ranting to the masses who
already get that.
Ahh, just "Understand". It is easy to wave that wand when it is
something you are very familiar with. You might be one of those very
gifted people who instantly understands everything the first time they
see it. I'm happy for you - really. However, on the whole, God has
gifted different people with different abilities. The thing which is
easy for one, may very very difficult for another.
DNS, DNS, DNS! What beautiful words! On to DNS!
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 5:44 PM, Stiles Watson <wat...@datatek-net.com
<mailto:wat...@datatek-net.com>> wrote:
I'm not sure what there is to 'get'. I thought the point of the
wiki was to explain how to set things up. I was directed to the
Bria page on the wiki when asked about Bria and iphone (the page
even mentions iphone...). However, the info there has nothing to
do with Bria on iphone. I was offering to provide clarification
for others so they are not confused when they look at the wiki
page and then look at the iphone settings and see little or no
overlap.
You guys on the sipX team have done a great job and have produced
and continue to produce a great open source product, but more
times than not you guys take a programmers view of things instead
of a users view. This is what make the difference between products
that go on to be great and widely embraced and products which are
great functionally, but are never embraced by the masses (or
products which people are forced to use, but hate using). Why do
you think Apple has boat loads of cash on hand in a down economy
even though they do not own the lion share of either the desktop
or server market? It is because they focus on the user and make it
easy for them to get done what they need to get done. The iphone
revolutionized the smart phone market. Why? They did not have any
new wiz-bang feratures (they actually had less), but they focused
on the user and made it easier to use. Everyone else has been
playing catch up (yes, you can argue that certain Andriod devices
are better, but they followed iphone).
Explain everything, teach people, give people more info then they
need....
I've seen so many technically good products go down the toilet
because the programmers could never see things from a users
perspective. They turned their noses up at them instead. And in
return? The users went somewhere else and the project died.
Just my ten cents. The rant is over and everyone can beat me up now.
Stiles
On 04/18/2012 04:31 PM, Tony Graziano wrote:
I don't get you. Counterpath has a product for the desktop that
can be centrally provisioned. Their mobile devices can't (yet).
Maybe we can create a stiles.wiki. JK.
I think the wiki might benefit from a mobile apps section, but it
requires proper layout for and could use a simple table layout
for how to configure for most products and OS's.
The key here is testing functionalities and features, etc.
On Apr 18, 2012 4:07 PM, "Stiles Watson" <wat...@datatek-net.com
<mailto:wat...@datatek-net.com>> wrote:
So can the wiki be updated to reflect the differences in Bria
for iphone/ipod touch?
* Use SIP password not PIN
* No Provisioning server
* Under "Account advanced", you need to enter Out. Proxy
and Auth Name
I do not know what the approval process is, but if I can get
a login, I'd be happy to do it. Could also enter settings for
Media5-fone.
Stiles
On 04/18/2012 03:50 PM, Stiles Watson wrote:
Not sure what the deal was, but I sent the profile AGIAN,
set the password to the SIP password, not PIN and it registered.
Stiles
On 04/18/2012 03:22 PM, Stiles Watson wrote:
I am unable to register via Bria for ipod touch. I'm
connected via wifi on the office network. I get
Unauthorized (401).
Here are my settings:
Account Name: 295
Enabled: ON
Username: 295
Password: (I've tried both PIN and SIP)
Domain: datatek-net.com <http://datatek-net.com>
Under "Account Advanced"
Out. Proxy: sipx.datatek-net.com <http://sipx.datatek-net.com>
Auth Name: 295
There are no other settings to enter and there is no place
to enter a Provisioning Server as mentioned on the wiki page:
http://wiki.sipfoundry.org/display/sipXecs/Counterpath+Bria+Softphone
As I mentioned in an earlier email. I was able to get
Media5Fone working on an iphone with the same settings above.
Any thoughts?
Stiles
Stiles
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