On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 1:06 PM, Stiles Watson <wat...@datatek-net.com>wrote:

>  On 04/18/2012 06:15 PM, Tony Graziano wrote:
>
> You shouldn't invite violence. I have been known to clobber people with
> iPads.
>
> Why am I not surprised by this?
>

Um that was a cartoon reference dude, you take things wayyy to seriously.
Obviously you don't get out too much.

>
>
>  I think the wiki could be clearer, but really I think you are the only
> one to make the leap from Bria is bria is bria is bria. It ain't, but
> sipfoundry doesn't manuafcture it either. Bria has undergone numerous name
> changes in the last 3 or four years. I look for the names to change "yet
> again", because why leave something the same?
>
> I am not the only one who has been confused on this point. I have all the
> emails from this list for the past year and a half or more. There have been
> several people who have been confused about this. I know sipfoundry does
> not manufacturer Bria, but you are saying that it is supported by your
> software and therefore it is to your advantage to help your users/customers
> use your product with whatever different versions exist of the third party
> software you say you are interoperable with.
>
> Thanks for making my point about not taking a users view of things.
>

Wrong, the wiki was changed by multiple editors to leave no chance for
stiles.user error.. It clearly stated Bria 3.x, but the ASSUMPTION you had
was all BRIA is BRIA. Whatever. It got changed to quell your issue. You
didn't like the clarity of the wiki, so now it's idiot proffed (maybe) and
you still want to complain about it.

>
> You guys do realize that the people that use your product are your
> customers, right? I know no money changes hands, but you are creating this
> for people to use, correct? You want companies big AND small to embrace
> your product, correct? There are a number of potential users/customers who
> have left your product because they could not get the help they thought
> they needed.
>

Its a very friendly environment. The wiki is there for a reason. There are
many people who try to do things that LACK THE SKILLSET and/or FAIL TO READ
OR UNDERSTAND what the best approach is to installing/configuring a system
and then expect wayyy to much in having community members send them the
wiki pages and explain the basic concepts. There are skills required as a
prerequisite.

>
>
>  Give people more information than they need? That's been done, numerous
> times. When they can't follow directions the first few times, you have to
> beat them over the head with an iPad and chant "DNS DNS DNS".
>
> I love how you never let go of that bone! You are right, DNS is very
> important and I have some things which still need to be configured. The
> problem is that I do not think the DNS wiki page is perfectly clear and I
> have been give contradictory info on this forum - again, its free support
> offered by the sipX community which includes old hats, newbies, developers
> and users so that happens. I was told that sipX sets up everything
> correctly and that I do not need external DNS SRV records, but that was not
> correct. It makes perfect sense now that I would need them.
>

I think it was correct in the context or your related question(s) at that
time, but clearly you want to pick yet another bone. Bringing this up out
of context is just sour grapes and not really fair.

>
>
>  Understand then fix your DNS and stop ranting to the masses who already
> get that.
>
> Ahh, just "Understand". It is easy to wave that wand when it is something
> you are very familiar with. You might be one of those very gifted people
> who instantly understands everything the first time they see it. I'm happy
> for you - really.  However, on the whole, God has gifted different people
> with different abilities. The thing which is easy for one, may very very
> difficult for another.
>
> DNS, DNS, DNS! What beautiful words! On to DNS!
>

Dude, the whole thing is: DNS, Networking, firewalls, all play a part in
any VOIP deployment. The wiki article on DNS is written for administrators.
Why? Because DNS is VERY important to any environment and easy to break.
It's not in the best interest of any project focusing on SIP to teach DNS
101 to admins who don't understand how DNS works. There is no real easy way
to explain DNS. It's not fair to tech network 101 courses. You should bring
those skills to the table as a prerequisite.

You really need to stop making a spectacle of yourself. You are not getting
anywhere except maybe closer to a coronary.

Now get on to whatever it is you were doing. Good luck.

>
>
> On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 5:44 PM, Stiles Watson <wat...@datatek-net.com>wrote:
>
>>  I'm not sure what there is to 'get'. I thought the point of the wiki was
>> to explain how to set things up. I was directed to the Bria page on the
>> wiki when asked about Bria and iphone (the page even mentions iphone...).
>> However, the info there has nothing to do with Bria on iphone. I was
>> offering to provide clarification for others so they are not confused when
>> they look at the wiki page and then look at the iphone settings and see
>> little or no overlap.
>>
>> You guys on the sipX team have done a great job and have produced and
>> continue to produce a great open source product, but more times than not
>> you guys take a programmers view of things instead of a users view. This is
>> what make the difference between products that go on to be great and widely
>> embraced  and products which are great functionally, but are never embraced
>> by the masses (or products which people are forced to use, but hate using).
>> Why do you think Apple has boat loads of cash on hand in a down economy
>> even though they do not own the lion share of either the desktop or server
>> market? It is because they focus on the user and make it easy for them to
>> get done what they need to get done. The iphone revolutionized the smart
>> phone market. Why? They did not have any new wiz-bang feratures (they
>> actually had less), but they focused on the user and made it easier to use.
>> Everyone else has been playing catch up (yes, you can argue that certain
>> Andriod devices are better, but they followed iphone).
>>
>> Explain everything, teach people, give people more info then they need....
>>
>> I've seen so many technically good products go down the toilet because
>> the programmers could never see things from a users perspective. They
>> turned their noses up at them instead. And in return? The users went
>> somewhere else and the project died.
>>
>> Just my ten cents. The rant is over and everyone can beat me up now.
>>
>> Stiles
>>
>>
>> On 04/18/2012 04:31 PM, Tony Graziano wrote:
>>
>>  I don't get you. Counterpath has a product for the desktop that can be
>> centrally provisioned. Their mobile devices can't (yet).
>>
>> Maybe we can create a stiles.wiki. JK.
>>
>> I think the wiki might benefit from a mobile apps section, but it
>> requires proper layout for and could use a simple table layout for how to
>> configure for most products and OS's.
>>
>> The key here is testing functionalities and features, etc.
>> On Apr 18, 2012 4:07 PM, "Stiles Watson" <wat...@datatek-net.com> wrote:
>>
>>>  So can the wiki be updated to reflect the differences in Bria for
>>> iphone/ipod touch?
>>>
>>>    - Use SIP password not PIN
>>>    - No Provisioning server
>>>    - Under "Account advanced", you need to enter Out. Proxy and Auth
>>>    Name
>>>
>>> I do not know what the approval process is, but if I can get a login,
>>> I'd be happy to do it. Could also enter settings for Media5-fone.
>>>
>>> Stiles
>>>
>>> On 04/18/2012 03:50 PM, Stiles Watson wrote:
>>>
>>> Not sure what the deal was, but I sent the profile AGIAN, set the
>>> password to the SIP password, not PIN and it registered.
>>>
>>> Stiles
>>>
>>> On 04/18/2012 03:22 PM, Stiles Watson wrote:
>>>
>>> I am unable to register via Bria for ipod touch. I'm connected via wifi
>>> on the office network. I get Unauthorized (401).
>>>
>>> Here are my settings:
>>>
>>> Account Name: 295
>>> Enabled: ON
>>>
>>> Username: 295
>>> Password: (I've tried both PIN and SIP)
>>> Domain: datatek-net.com
>>>
>>> Under "Account Advanced"
>>>
>>> Out. Proxy: sipx.datatek-net.com
>>> Auth Name: 295
>>>
>>> There are no other settings to enter and there is no place to enter a
>>> Provisioning Server as mentioned on the wiki page:
>>>
>>> http://wiki.sipfoundry.org/display/sipXecs/Counterpath+Bria+Softphone
>>>
>>> As I mentioned in an earlier email. I was able to get Media5Fone working
>>> on an iphone with the same settings above.
>>>
>>> Any thoughts?
>>>
>>> Stiles
>>>
>>> Stiles
>>>
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