On Fri, May 11, 2001 at 12:34:23PM +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> Okay, I'll answer all these bits separately...
> <quote who="Dave Fitch">
> > ok thanks, folder-hook is the one, but...
> > I've had to stop postfix setting the From/Sender header (was set
> > in the canonical file) but mutt doesn't seem to set those fields.
>
> Indeed it does. :)
you sure? how?
I can set Sender: in .muttrc but that's not how the
email appears when it comes back and I can't set From (no colon)
at all (they're the 2 I'm talking about).
> > My .muttrc has (ignoring the folder-hook bit for a minute):
> > set [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > my_hdr From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > my_hdr Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > my_hdr Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Sender won't help much, but certainly don't set Reply-To... Leave it to
> yourself to set manually when you want replies sent to a specific address.
>
> Example: When we post to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list, we usually set our
> Reply-To to [EMAIL PROTECTED], so conversation continues there, and we don't
> have to moderate all the replies to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (from broken mail
> clients) out.
well it's just a sort of default value, I can change it before
I send the email if I want something different, not really
part of the problem though.
> > But trying to send email outside my system gives the error:
>
> That's because your problem is more complicated than it seems. :)
it seemed pretty complicated to me, so I thought either I was
missing something or it is complicated, I was hoping it was
the former
> > May 11 09:04:30 spiral postfix/qmgr[17045]: BF4791A093:
> > from=<davidf@spiral>, size=550 (queue active)
>
> Here is the problem; the envelope of your email is being set to
> davidf@spiral. The envelope is very different to the From: header (which is
> just human readable gumph).
I know and it's the envelope From (or Sender, but I think it's From)
that optus looks at (hence the problem)
> > May 11 09:04:31 spiral postfix/smtp[17059]: BF4791A093:
> > to=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, relay=mail2.optusnet.com.au[203.2.75.133],
> > delay=1, status=bounced (host mail2.optusnet.com.au[203.2.75.133] said:
> > 501 5.1.8 <davidf@spiral>... Domain of sender address davidf@spiral does
> > not exist)
>
> Because spiral is not a recognised host, OptusNet (smartly, for once) drop
> your mail on the floor. You are not yet a real machine with a real name...
yes that's all fine (and I agree it is unusual on optus' part!)
> > Now is it referring to the Sender or From header? (note: "Reply-To:"
> > and "From:" get set ok just not "From" (without the colon) and "Sender").
> > cos in the example email they're both "davidf@spiral" and no matter
> > what I set in my .muttrc I can't get them set to anything else.
>
> Exactly. The "From (without the colon)" is your envelope address, and must
> be set accordingly.
exactly, that's the tricky bit!
(see my original question I asked)
> If you have a real world recognisable name, you can use it in the "myorigin"
> setting in postfix (which defaults to $myhostname.$mydomain). If you don't,
> you can set this to your isp's hostname (leaving your own myhostname and
> mydomain intact).
>
> "However, it's not that simple."
>
> If you do that, all of your mail will be sent out with the envelope set to
> your isp's hostname, and with postfix, it means that everything will be
> rewritten thus. Think... root@spiral -> [EMAIL PROTECTED] Not good.
>
> So, you need to mangle the transport for at least a few addresses. root,
> hostmaster, postmaster, etc. Plus any other local accounts. The
> documentation at postfix.org is really good. Great, even. First thing to
> read is the postfix anatomy, then get into the configuration stuff.
that's all well and good and is what I have been happily doing until
now (again see my original post, I described this). The problem is
doing all this stuff is in postfix, not mutt, which means I
cannot change it automatically every time I want to use a different
email address (without changing postfix's config, as root, and
restarting it every time I go into a specific mutt mailbox and
want a different email address to appear in the mail headers).
But you seem to be saying in your last paragraph that I have to
set it in postfix as well? but how does postfix know which
mailbox I'm in? it doesn't, can I make postfix set a different
>From depending on the From: header or something? is that what
you're saying?
Dave.
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