; I used do do this stuff for various clients including the oil industry.. 
; and managed to keep interactive websites (orders, registrations, remote 
; website updates..) operable and bulletproof with complex javascript etc. 
; for the current AND previous versions of IE, NS, Opera, Knoqueror, on 
; Win, Linux, Mac... all by myself. If they didn't work they could cause a 
; shareholderor director to ring up and give me or the oil company an 
; earful, which was a suboptimal outcome. So I struggle to belive that 
; these genius graduate software engineers struggle with it. Trouble is 
; I've forgotton all the technical stuff now and do other things. I'll let 
; it drop here.

ok -- this is ridiculous.  I've just tried st george with firefox, 

Error: document.bhjvmd.getJavaVendor is not a function
Source File: https://ibank.stgeorge.com.au/html/redirect.asp
Line: 11

source:

<HTML><HEAD>
<!-- These scripts are provided under the terms of the BrowserHawk license agreement
and may not be copied or used otherwise. [7, 0, 1, 0 Enterprise] See cyscape.com for 
details.
Copyright (C) 1999-2003 cyScape, Inc. All rights reserved.      
-->
<noscript><meta http-equiv="refresh" content="0; 
url=/html/redirect.asp?bhjs=0"></noscript>
<script language="JavaScript">
<!--
function bhawkTest() {
  var bhjv = escape('Java N/A');
  if (document.bhjvmd) bhjv = escape(document.bhjvmd.getJavaVendor());
  var rs = "bhjv="+bhjv;
  if (document.cookie.indexOf("bhCookieSess=1") != -1) {
    document.cookie = "bhResults="+rs+"; path=/";
    document.cookie = "bhPrevResults="+rs+"; path=/";
    if (document.cookie.indexOf("bhResults") != -1)
      self.location.replace("/html/redirect.asp?bhcp=1"); 
    else self.location.replace("/html/redirect.asp?"+rs+"&bhqs=1");
  }
  else self.location.replace("/html/redirect.asp?"+rs+"&bhqs=1");

}
// -->
</script>

</head><title></title>
<noscript><body onLoad="bhawkTest();"></noscript>
<script>document.write('<body onLoad="bhawkTest();">');</script>
<script language="JavaScript">
<!--
if (navigator.javaEnabled()) document.write('<applet code="JVMDetector.class" 
name="bhjvmd"  width=1 height=1><param name="legal" value="This is copyrighted 
software and provided under license cyScape, Inc. (www.cyscape.com). All rights 
reserved."></applet>');
// -->
</script>

</body></html>

Does anybody know someone who works for these geniuses? There's no
reason this crap shouldn't work no matter what browser/platform you
happen to be on, isn't this the entire point of Java?

r.
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