well I don't remember the Repubs giving
Clinton a bunch of shit during his administration for his allegations against
Saddam. The only problem I had was his constant screw ups and half measures. But
I always believed his intelligence reports.
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 2:31
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Subject: Re: [Sndbox] Weapons of mass
(Hypothetical)
Yes it could be argued that the other WTC bombing should
have been fair warning. Hindsight is 20/20.
I appreciate your
honesty.
You still don't want to speculate what the Republicans would
be saying if a Democrat President were in office right now?
<G>
I never meant for the subject to be any slight on Bush. I
think Bush is doing OK on foreign policy.
On Monday,
January 26, 2004, at 01:16 PM, Bethany wrote:
But Clinton has
TWC bombing in 93 happen on his watch as well as several other terrorist
actions and he still merely threw a few torpedoes over into the desert./smaller>/fontfamily> I
don't think Bush would have gone into
Iraq./smaller>/fontfamily>
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----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Harder/color> To: The Sandbox Discussion
List/color> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 2:13
PM Subject: Re: [Sndbox] Weapons of mass
(Hypothetical)
OK... We disagree on that. I basically stated my
reasons why I think that Clinton may have. You are using what Clinton did
not do for eight years he was president as *proof* that he wouldn't
have taken action even if 9/11 happened when he *was* president. Even
though he is on record from 1998 as saying that such an action me be
necessary. (refer to bottom of post)
That still didn't have anything
to do with the hypothetical. And. You still haven't answered whether
or not you think Bush would have gone into Iraq if 9/11 had never
happened.
On Monday, January 26, 2004, at 12:55 PM,
Bethany wrote:
I wasn't. I simply said, that based on
what he did do in 8 years (or rather what he didn't do) I don't foresee that
he would have done anything different even if he had 9/11 happen on his
watch. /bigger> <image.tiff>
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Original Message ----- From: Tim Harder To:
The Sandbox Discussion List Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004
1:24 PM Subject: Re: [Sndbox] Weapons of mass
(Hypothetical)
You can't compare Clinton *not* having 9/11 happen
on his watch....
To:
Bush *having* 9/11 happen on his
watch.
On Monday, January 26, 2004, at 11:29 AM,
Bethany wrote:
How am I having anything both ways? Maybe
I am misinterpreting what you were asking? I just don't see Clinton
handling anything the way Bush has. he had 8 years and did
nothing.
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Original Message ----- From: Tim Harder To:
The Sandbox Discussion List Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004
10:21 AM Subject: Re: [Sndbox] Weapons of mass
(Hypothetical)
Case Closed?
I thought you were a debater.
So you are *sure* that if 9/11 never happened... that Bush would have
still invaded Iraq? I don't think he would have either.
The events of
9/11 were what led Bush to the place we are now.
You can't have it
both ways.
On Monday, January 26, 2004, at 08:58 AM,
Bethany wrote:
well we will disagree. Clinton had 8
years to take care of saddam. He wasn't interested. Case closed.
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Original Message ----- From: Tim Harder To:
The Sandbox Discussion List Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004
9:52 AM Subject: Re: [Sndbox] Weapons of mass
(Hypothetical)
Bethany,
I disagree. I think Clinton had
the balls to go to war. I also think that the events after 9/11 would
have been very similar. I think that secretly Clinton and the
Democrats are bitter that they didn't get to be in power after 9/11. They
resent the nonpartisan support an popularity that the country gave Bush
post 9/11.
Clinton stated that Iraq was a threat, so it seems
plausible to me that he would have gone into Iraq as well. I think he may
have had an easier time with the UN than Bush did. If Clinton had gone
into Iraq the Democrats would be all for it saying that it was a just war
and the Saddam was a tyrant and the civil rights violations alone were
enough to justify going in there.
You are right ... It wouldn't be
exactly for *any* President to have history happen the same way. I used
the word "exactly" to try an generate a discussion on partisan politics
by equaling the playing field. Sorry you didn't want to play.
<G>
On Monday, January 26, 2004, at 08:12 AM,
Bethany wrote:
Tim, there are "hypotheticals" and then
there are "no way in hells." Clinton could/would have never handled Iraq
or 9/11 the way Bush 43 has. It just isn't even hypothetical. /bigger> ;)
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Original Message ----- From: Tim Harder To:
The Sandbox Discussion List Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004
9:02 AM Subject: [Sndbox] Weapons of mass
(Hypothetical)
I really don't see Clinton's quotes as
haunting *him*... they haunt the Democratic Party.
What if this was
the end of *Clinton's* first term and he had handled all of the
events after 9/11 exactly as Bush has. Yes exactly... What would the
Republican candidates be saying in there election speeches about
Clinton's foreign policies?
So who actually
was convinced that Saddam has/had weapons of mass destruction? Direct quotes
can certainly come back to haunt you. Read on.....
"One way or the
other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of
mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom
line." - President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998
"If Saddam rejects
peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to
seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction
program." - President Clinton, Feb. 17,
1998
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