All they’d need is to have an option to hold down ALT or something when moving
nodes to prevent them connecting. It doesn’t have to be drastic redesign. I’ll
do a video next week showing how annoying it can be. Often because I don’t
notice its happened until my tool stops working
From: Olivier Jeannel
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Paul, yes when you freshly arrive from ice, I had that same feeling. I'm twice
more focused in vop than I was in Ice because of that vicious habit it has to
connect nodes when you just drag another node near it.
It has also a crude tendency to autocorupt vop nodes when they turn red
sometime they just don't come back. No big deal, a copy/ paste of the corrupted
node often bring things back.
And when you are in some for each nodes, when dealing with arrays (which are
far from friendly) it can get really annoying.
But a part from that bad design, houdini really well worth the efforts and the
patience.
On Friday, March 24, 2017, Jonathan Moore <jonathan.moo...@gmail.com> wrote:
I’m confident SideFX will sort out any teething problems ref the VOP’s and
network editor interaction model. I would however suggest that you send a bug
report in with a video. SideFX are pretty good on this stuff especially when it
involves new features.
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I understand that when it works as planned its a good feature and it would be
really useful if I could control when it does and when it doesn’t happen. (by
holding a key down for example)
In ICE, it works fine because it happens when you place a new node. NOT when
you re-organise the tree. But in Houdini, it happens just when you move nodes a
bit. So I have the choice of either having my nodes spread apart SO far that
they are tiny and I can’t read them, but the risk is reduced a bit. Or having
them naturally close, but constantly auto connecting and messsing up my work.
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I feel like if you disabled 'auto connecting dropping nodes onto wires' youd
disable a really useful feature, can you not just be more careful ;)
and regards to copy + paste, alt+drag to copy is very useful because you can
place them
On Fri, 24 Mar 2017 at 11:46 Jonathan Moore
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The improvements to the network editor in Houdini 16 is probably my
favourite aspect of the release. It answers many of the complaints you mention
Oliver.
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Getting back to the subject of organisation, I still consider myself as a
houdini beginner.
The thing is, it so open that you quickly import the ice science into vop
and you get comfident enough quickly.
My experience is with the 15.5, and probably not the latest release.
I found the stiky notes not that handy ( clicking on it sometimes close it,
or it gets in the way), naming a node or an area. was a pain, you enter the
name hit "enter" and it bounces back to its previous name. Having to retype 3
or 4 times until it catches it correctly.
The surrounding colored area that you can draw around your network were
buggy as well. Once the network surrounded it was mostly unworkable...
So finally I just relied on colored nodes...
I also found the node editor to be a bit buggy when working with a high
number of nodes. It can get slow, and the mouse pointer was clicking in an
unprecize manner (when trying to pick the line between 2 nodes), sometimes
creating disaster.
And by high number of nodes i mean : my final scene was having one big
obj/geo node for the animation, containing a dozen of complete big sop trees
(with for each, vop, and a few dops, some cachefiles..).
I found that working within one single big node was better than having to
jump back and forth into exterior nodes.
But the downside is that I had to navigate (swim) in that huge forest of
slow undocumented trees.
Seems they fixed all this naming, note and coloring in the 16. If someone
can confirm.
On Thursday, March 23, 2017, Andy Goehler
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Regarding Passes, at first it felt really strange, everything seemed
different. But after some time and getting into bundles the basics were
mastered. What always bugged me in Softimage was managing partitions across
passes. If there were changes you’d be hunting down all the partitions in
various passes. I’ve always wished for something expression based. With
wildcards on ROPs and smart bundles this opened the doors of freedom. I never
worry about that anymore.
For overrides I use object merges, as Jordi mentioned. This is not ideal,
but manageable, not to mention extremely flexible and always reflects changes.
I’ve looked into material style sheets and they are quite powerful, but not as
nice to manage from a UI perspective. I found I’d rather manage additional
objects with object merges and their material assignments, etc. Nevertheless,
MSS can get the job done.
What I’d wish for is a graph similar to Katana, where nodes collect the
objects and lights. Additional nodes provide material assignment and overrides.
Or simply bundles with overrides :D
I’m still putting the pieces together to file an RFE with SESI.
Andy
On 23.03.2017, at 14:11, Andy Nicholas
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Yep. Worth mentioning the Material SOP too where you can override on a
per point/primitive/global level if you need to.
It was also pointed out to me the other day that the Material SOP is
capable of generating material stylesheets for you. I'm still getting my head
around that particular functionality, but I can see it has the potential to be
very helpful in a more automated pipeline.
A
On 23/03/2017 12:36, Jordi Bares wrote:
Indeed, no matter which software we choose we will certainly miss
Softimage overrides and passes… Houdini offers a few approaches but none of
them is as smooth and easy as Softimage.
The best route I have round is to use Object_Merges to do the
overrides but indeed it is not as nice… :-P
BTW, check Material Style Sheets… will open some new avenues that may
be useful.
jb
On 23 Mar 2017, at 08:50, Rob Wuijster
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@Jordi and others:
Besides all the new stuff to learn, where - as you said - some
stuff is easier than others (VEX), my main gripe is rendering.
I still try to get some workflow running where I can easily create
Passes/Partitions/overrides like I did in Softimage.
I know it's not the same thing in H, but not being able to quickly
override shaders on top scene level, or in bundles is a huge miss.
It often results in multiple shaders and switches.
There's also Takes, but from what I've read on it most people stay
clear from it. And there's material stylesheets which are a tad over-designed
and not really user friendly imho.
So any workflows people developed on rendering, after starting to
use Houdini, are very much welcome.
cheers! Rob \/-------------\/----------------\/On 22-3-2017 11:36, Jordi Bares
wrote:
Yet for the points mentioned, I would have an easier time agreeing with you if
indeed I found "some things to be easier, and others not", whereas beyond what
could be associated to "XSI muscle memory", the sheer quantity or proportions
of things that are not not just easier, but considerably much (much!) easier,
makes it hard to just overlook and just "go with it", especially when knowing
how things can be.Putting aside the fact we have to move out of Softimage
sooner or later (hardware, OS, drivers, freelancers, support, etc… will
eventually force us out) Putting aside those areas Sofimage can’t compete
because it does not have the functionality (heavy duty FX mostly, Terrains,
Game integration, etc…) I would like to focus on those day to day scenarios you
feel are not easy in Houdini, after all we could submit this input to Side
Effects. Is there any particular scenario you feel strongly Softimage is much
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