On Wed, 14 Jan 2004, Greg Cirino - Cirelle Enterprises wrote: > From: Greg Cirino - Cirelle Enterprises <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 21:05:05 -0500 > Subject: Re: [SAtalk] Spamwriter > To: Bart Schaefer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham > version=2.60 > > | Making a direct outbound connection on port 25 is not "running an email > | server", any more than making a direct outbound connection on port 80 is > | "running an HTTP server." > > Running any type of "Server" is a violation of every consumer high speed > access connection TOS. > > Call it what you want, but if it serves, it's a Server > > No can do > > Unless I misunderstand what a server is, I think anything that > provides content, (web, ftp, email, telnet, ssh, etc...) is classified > as a server. > > Again, No can do > > This is not saying "you are not able to do so", that would be > rediculous, but undrestand, a consumer connection to the Internet > is just that... consumption, not delivering.... > > consumers receive, servers serve. > > cable subscribers, residential subscribers are consumers > Not Servers > > IMHO all consumer IP blocks should be uni directional and only > allowed input traffic. > > Unfortunately, the TC/IP protocol makes this difficult, but not impossible > to control. > > Frankly, there is no email that needs to be delivered immediatly and > the only overloaded ISP email servers are those freebee email services > which usually get blown out by spam filters anyway. > > The Rule of Thumb: > > Just because you have cable or dsl does not mean you're an ISP or > gonna make a fortune on the internet. > > If you want into the business, build the plan, see the bank, take the risk. > > Otherwise, you are no better than the spammer that is trying to make > a quick buck no a cable connection. > > I think that was about a half a bucks worth.... >
That seems pretty harsh (but understandable). I've been on DSL since it was available in my area. Being one of the first, the ISP was generous/dumb enough to give me an entire class C allocation. I didn't need it, but got it anyway because it was 'easier' for them. Hmm... I do run 'servers' - web for some OSS projects and my own amusement, and a mailserver for 2 low volume mailing lists and other email into and out of my network. Sometimes I startup a network doom server for myself and few friends. I run my own servers because I can, and because I have complete control of them. I do not run a business, use the connection to make money, or 'resell' my connection to other people. I just like computers and networking, and my needs and interests are somewhat more involved than simple web browsing. ;-) I am not a bandwidth hog, and my ISP has never had any complaints or issues with the 'servers' I run. I don't consider this abuse, and neither does my ISP. That's what I'm paying for - the connection. I guess it all just depends on what you are doing, and what your ISP thinks about it. I assume that I would still be considered an 'abuser' on your ISP? > Best Regards > > Greg > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bart Schaefer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 8:25 PM > Subject: Re: [SAtalk] Spamwriter > > > | On Wed, 14 Jan 2004, Greg Cirino - Cirelle Enterprises wrote: > | > | > 40 bucks a month does not make you an ISP. > | > > | > No Hosting Servers > | > No Email Servers > | > No FTP Servers > | > > | > Just consuming. > | > | Making a direct outbound connection on port 25 is not "running an email > | server", any more than making a direct outbound connection on port 80 is > | "running an HTTP server." > | > | I have no objection to an ISP blocking port 25 coming *in* to my DSL. > | > | > | > | ------------------------------------------------------- > | This SF.net email is sponsored by: Perforce Software. > | Perforce is the Fast Software Configuration Management System offering > | advanced branching capabilities and atomic changes on 50+ platforms. > | Free Eval! http://www.perforce.com/perforce/loadprog.html > | _______________________________________________ > | Spamassassin-talk mailing list > | [EMAIL PROTECTED] > | https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Perforce Software. > Perforce is the Fast Software Configuration Management System offering > advanced branching capabilities and atomic changes on 50+ platforms. > Free Eval! http://www.perforce.com/perforce/loadprog.html > _______________________________________________ > Spamassassin-talk mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk > -- Jon Trulson mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ID: 1A9A2B09, FP: C23F328A721264E7 B6188192EC733962 PGP keys at http://radscan.com/~jon/PGPKeys.txt #include <std/disclaimer.h> "I am Nomad." -Nomad ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Perforce Software. Perforce is the Fast Software Configuration Management System offering advanced branching capabilities and atomic changes on 50+ platforms. Free Eval! http://www.perforce.com/perforce/loadprog.html _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk