Todd, I think the chances of getting PAIN IN FULL are excellent. I threw the car example out just as a parallel.
Assuming you can find work to keep your guys busy, RUN AWAY is by far the best advice. Life's too short to do business with the unethical. Even if you install it properly, will it be maintained? Will the heat stay on (ok, you're in FL)? If there is a loss, will the Owner try to lie and opin it on you by fabricating a story to pin the liability on you? RUN AWAY And once you've done that, you are no longer the agent of the owner, not having any contractual bind. This frees you up to call the AHJ and explain what is coming at him. That is the ETHICAL way to handle this, IMHO. Except I can't have an opinion, just being a CET :) glc -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Todd Williams - work Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 12:24 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: owners information certificate Greg, Run, don't walk away. This guy is an ethical nightmare. If he does this type of thing, what are your odds of getting pain in full? Or what else does he have out there that could potentially hurt you? I would contact your attorney, explain to him the situation and see what his/her advise would be on protecting yourself, but leave this for your competition. If you've already signed on, talk to your attorney about this from that perspective. Maybe you have an escape route. Todd At 12:03 PM 3/20/2007, you wrote: >Part A: > > > >What do we (as an industry) do when an owner completes the Owner's >Information Certificate incorrectly to deliberately mislead an AHJ? > > > >Part B: > > > >What do we do when they technically tell the truth as in building a >warehouse that has no storage above 12' initially but they have every >intention (because they tell you so) to store PODS 24' high after they get a >CO? > > > >BTW, the reason I have been unsuccessful in convincing the owner of the >proper level of protection is because there have 2 of these buildings built >within 200 miles in the last few months and both of them had minimal >systems. The installing contractor on one of the jobs told me that they were >told the building was a spec warehouse and to protect it as an empty >building and after they were done the owner would lease it to the PODS >franchisee. His comment was "I don't know if that protects me or not" > > > >Legally? > > > >Morally I feel bound to walk away from this project but that just means that >they will find someone else to do the job incorrectly and although there is >no liability involved, there is still the knowledge that the building (Ord. >Group II) will be grossly under protected. > > > >I know the argument that we are not police of the industry nor can we 2nd >guess what the potential future occupancy of a building is or may be one >day, but this is different and one of the 2 scenarios listed above is going >to happen on this project. > > > >Thanks for your input, > >Greg > > > >Living Water Fire Protection, LLC > >1160 McKenzie Road > >Cantonment, FL 32533 > >850-937-1850 > >Fax: 850-937-1852 > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Sprinklerforum mailing list >[email protected] >http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum Todd G. Williams, PE Fire Protection Design/Consulting Stonington, Connecticut 860-535-2080 www.fpdc.com _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum
