Hello George,

With the purpleK you might as well dump the water on it. All extinguisher 
powders are corrosive to circuit boards in the presence of a little humidity.

Thursday, April 5, 2007, 4:47:30 PM, you wrote:

> We try to go with high-temp concealed heads, too- 
> K.I.S.S. instead of DIPA, or a basketball of halon/purpleK with a spkr stuck
> in it (CeaseFire).

> Recently bid a doozie- 15,000 sf emergency services bldg for the county.
> 2 DIPA, one rm 9 hds, 1 was 12. FM200 in another, wet throughout the rest.
> Now the good part- dry uprights were shown to protect the attic- they'd be
> 20' long, and pitched to be perpendicular to the 4/12 roof!!!
> Realizing their mistake, they issued an addendum to provide a dry-pipe
> system in the attic, except DIPA above the 3 rooms listed above. 4 systems
> in the attic!

> Icing on the cake- tank buried outside, atmospheric vent at grade, water to
> ignore gravity and jump up into the VI pump. Naturally we had to put a
> transfer switch on it, since power (and the building) would be lost before
> any water came out.

> $22/sf and it wouldn't work (except the FM 200). Sealed by a PE.

> Why would you stack kindling atop a bulletproof concept?

> glc


> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Cahill
> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 4:25 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Server Closet

> And these same nit wits don't care about sinks and toilets, severe weather,
> roof leaks, electrical issues, floods and all the other possible causes of
> damage.  When I ask if they considered all the other possible sources of
> damage or interruption with fire or sprinklers being among the least
> probable they usually put it in the new context and drop the issue. Or at
> least stop pushing to spend the owner's money (vs. theirs) and compromise on
> a concealer and high temp.  

> Bigger rooms with high value critical infrastructure for a mutli-million
> business then maybe DIPA.  But these are usually multiple redundant remote
> systems and thus any one site is not important and they accept the risk all
> 3 (or more) won't have problems at the same time.  

> I'm not sure what John Drucker means about IFC 904.2. But be careful about
> substituting alternate agents for sprinklers.  904.2 ('00 ed.) last sentence
> may mean if the sprinklers are not in the room (closet) it is an
> unsprinklered building.  The only exceptions are in 903.3.1.1.1 and I don't
> see server rooms covered.  At least the way I read it alternate agents are
> not sprinklers.         

> Chris Cahill, P.E.
> Fire Protection Engineer
> Sentry Fire Protection, Inc.
>  
> 763-658-4483
> 763-658-4921 fax
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 2:22 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Server Closet

> The dry sidewall might appease them if all they were worried about was
> an intermittent drip.  What I hear more often is the fear of someone
> busting the head and millions of gallons of water dumping into the
> closet resulting in numerous IT personnel drownings and electronic
> equipment getting wet and ruined.  


> Craig L. Prahl, CET
> Fire Protection Group
> Mechanical Department
> CH2MHILL
> Lockwood Greene
> 1500 International Drive
> PO Box 491, Spartanburg, SC  29304-0491
> Direct - 864.599.4102
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom
> Duross
> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 3:15 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Server Closet

> Thanks.
> One of my thoughts to offer them was a dry type sidewall.
> I can get it set about 10" below the steel deck and still hide the pipe
> above the corridor drop ceiling.
> Maybe in a 360 degree rating?  It would keep the water (wata) out of the
> room.

> Tom

> Dual Interlock Pre-Action?

> For one head in a closet?  YIPERS!


> DIPA??
> In my best Sherman: "Gee Mr. Peabody, what's that?"

> Tom

> Sounds like they're concerned with water damage and not mission
> continuity.  I would recommend a DIPA system.  Either way, it seems like
> a lot of effort for one sprinkler.

> Inergen would likely require pressure relief venting.

> Ray Schmid

> I was wondering if I could get recommendations of advice to give a
> client.
> Their IT guy is bugging them about a head we put in a server closet.
> It's just a 6' w x 3' deep closet with their rack and a little ductless
> ac unit.
> No raised floor, liebert or big ups equipment and certainly not sealed.
> I offered high temp head but they're scared about water (wata).
> Should I suggest total flooding inergen?  Low temp rate of rise heat
> detector?
> I have to have an exhaust system installed with inergen, right?
> I think they'd have to enclose the closet to keep in the gas.

> Thanks,

> Tom Duross
> Go Red Sox



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