the good news about the Potter Roemer device is that I think it costs
about $50, it doesn't require a special key, and it covers the swivel
set screw. With the other device, the swivel still can be removed with
the locking cap in place.

Here it Dallas we cannot mandate using a specific brand. We "could"
require the FDC by protected with a lockable device, but the owner or
contractor has the choice of which brand to use....and so far, we don't
even require the lockable device.

rick matsuda

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles
Thurston
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 1:32 PM
To: George Church
Subject: Re[2]: Missing Couplings on Fire Dept Connections

Hello George,

We have to use those here in NMB. Adds about $237.00 to the cost of the
system. NOT to mention for an inspection your inspector has to have a
"key" (more $$) from Knox to remove the cap.

Thursday, September 20, 2007, 2:30:24 PM, you wrote:

> Knox makes a Knox Cap for FDC's too 
> $$$ but when its mandated, it is what it is.

> glc 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Matsuda,
> Richard
> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 2:23 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Missing Couplings on Fire Dept Connections 

> I recently saw a new Potter Roemer "Cap-It" device. 
> It locks over the FDC couplings instead of inside like the Knox-Box
device.
> I'm not recommending anything...I don't work for Potter Roemer, but
does
> look interesting. 
> rick matsuda, city of dallas

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Smith,
Steven
> D. (CSFD)
> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 12:07 PM
> To: AFSA SprinklerFORUM
> Subject: Missing Couplings on Fire Dept Connections 

> Take a look at the images at the following links.

> http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g319/justjoeny91/P9190347.jpg
> http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g319/justjoeny91/P9190348.jpg

> You will note that although the caps are missing, the female swivel
> couplings are missing. 

> One of our inspectors found this yesterday. With a rash (at least
locally if
> not nationwide) of copper theft, this finding raises questions about
brass
> theft. This could become a serious issue.

> I am curious if anyone else has run into this problem in your neck fo
the
> woods and what, if anything, you may have done to remedy it.

> At this point we are not sure if this is an isolated incident or a
city wide
> problem.

> Thank you for the assistance.

> Steven Smith, CFPS
> Fire Protection Engineer II
> Colorado Springs Fire Department
> 719-385-7362

> "In Omnia Paratus"
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