We have been allowing the use of the Knox FDC caps and allow local
contractors to obtain the keys. It is typically at the request of owners
who are tired of doing backflow flushes each time a cap is broken and
found to be missing.....back to the storyline though.

Neither the Knox caps or ones offered by Potter will do any good
whatsoever though when you have a stand alone FDC connection coming out
of the ground and the thieves steel the whole pipe out of the ground!!
I've seen a few metal trap doors to a valve pit with an open hole where
the 4" pipe was supposed to come out. Or, they remove the entire brass
fitting off of the wall leaving a small 4" pipe nipple sticking out.
I've heard of other jurisdictions who have had entire test headers for
fire pumps removed from the side of a building. 

The battalion chiefs in Portland, OR are reportedly carrying spare FDC's
in their vehicles so that they can screw it on the pipe when they find
one that is missing and it is needed for fire operations. 

This has also raised the issue among some CA authorities based on
another discussion list I'm on who have tried to figure out ways to
deter the theft. The use of epoxy or even a tack weld has been suggested
but that wasn't seen as viable options. Other suggestions were to pass
legislation to prevent the scrap yards from accepting anything with
"FIRE" on it but if you've been around areas with a high "Meth" problem,
you'll already know that there are underground melting pots which will
turn the 'illegal to accept at scrap yard' items into a blob of metal
which the legitimate scrap yards will take. 

I've joked internally about the need to weld a fairly strong ring on the
FDC and/or piping and then use a cable type supervisory device to
monitor for integrity. That way if someone tries removing the device, it
will at least alert someone.....hopefully. Heck, if people are willing
to try taking live copper wires from electrical substations, fire
equipment is a no-brainier!

This is certainly an issue that doesn't have an easy solution as the
thieves will just become smarter. One solution that I've heard of that
might work is one manufacturer looking to obtain approvals for plastic
components....that's about the only solution I could imagine as there
isn't any value in that for the metal thieves. Then again, it may spurn
the "green thieves" into some underground plastic recycling scheme......

Regards,

David M. Smith, Deputy Fire Marshal
Vancouver Fire Department, Fire Marshal's Office
900 W. Evergreen Blvd.
Vancouver, WA 98660
360-759-4408 Phone
360-418-5619 Pager


-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George
Church
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 12:15 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Re[2]: Missing Couplings on Fire Dept Connections

Rick-
If you do add a requirement, you could specify a locking device that
covers the swivel set screw. 
Course they could steal the entire head, tougher if there's a grooved
coupling inside.

glc

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matsuda,
Richard
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 2:50 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Re[2]: Missing Couplings on Fire Dept Connections

the good news about the Potter Roemer device is that I think it costs
about $50, it doesn't require a special key, and it covers the swivel
set screw.
With the other device, the swivel still can be removed with the locking
cap in place.

Here it Dallas we cannot mandate using a specific brand. We "could"
require the FDC by protected with a lockable device, but the owner or
contractor has the choice of which brand to use....and so far, we don't
even require the lockable device.

rick matsuda

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