Thanks for the enlightenment, Roland.

You certainly deserve a PhD (and we're glad you do!)
I'm jealous, I'm still working on an MS (More of the Same)

Ed Kramer
Littleton, CO


> -----Original Message-----
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> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roland Huggins
> Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 11:24 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: NFPA 13 Building with residential heads
> 
> My turn on the box
> 
> Allow me to suggest you broader your stance on why the residential
> also requires 0.10.  Your statement is mostly correct BUT that bit of
> history was driven by a different cause.  Remember way back to the
> end of the last decade when we were down to a resultant density of
> around 0.032 gpm/sf for residential sprinklers.  A hoopla arouse
> regarding labs performing repeat tests on listed sprinklers that did
> not control the fire.  This resulted in a change in the Expanded FOAM
> used by the labs to simulate furniture as part of UL 1626 for listing
> residential sprinklers.  It turned out that the prior foam had heat
> release rates that varied greatly.  This also resulted in a change in
> 13D/R that defined a minimum density of 0.05 gpm/sf.   A secondary
> realization was that the test duration in UL1626 was only 10
> minutes.  This aligned perfectly with the goal of 13D but shall we
> say is lacking for a high rise condo.  Although we had NO loses
> attributed to this issue we needed better correlation between the
> testing of the sprinkler and it application.  A reasonable and
> immediate fix was to require a 0.1 gpm/sf to be applied concurrent to
> the listing criteria and apply which ever produced the greater
> demand.  This provided assurance that we had adequate life safety AND
> property protection.
> 
> Since then UL 1626 has been expanded to a 30 minute duration fire
> test but the hybrid spray-residential sprinkler approach is not going
> anywhere.
> 
> You can have your box back but wear boots since I sometimes pile it
> kinda high.  Can I be awarded a PhD (Pile it Higher & Deeper)
> 
> Roland (happy with a BS - with not providing)
> 
> On Apr 18, 2008, at 9:29 AM, Ed Kramer wrote:
> >>
> > Property protection is property protection, whether the sprinkler
> > used is a SSP or residential. That's the exact reason why a .10 gpm/
> > sf density is required when using residential sprinklers.  So even
> > though I don't think the 3,000 sf DA is required, I think it should
> > be.
> >
> > Exit soapbox, stage right.
> > Ed Kramer
> 
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