I doubt if they ever know where he is. He lives around the corner from me and I never see him.
On 4/18/08, Steve Leyton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Oh, puh-LEEZE. If you keep talking like that he'll be even more > insufferable than he is already. Have you no consideration for AFSA > staff?? They have to deal with him on an almost-daily basis! Gently, > Ed. Gently. > > Steve Leyton > Protection Design & Consulting > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Kramer > Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 11:42 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: NFPA 13 Building with residential heads > > Thanks for the enlightenment, Roland. > > You certainly deserve a PhD (and we're glad you do!) > I'm jealous, I'm still working on an MS (More of the Same) > > Ed Kramer > Littleton, CO > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:sprinklerforum- > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roland Huggins > > Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 11:24 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: NFPA 13 Building with residential heads > > > > My turn on the box > > > > Allow me to suggest you broader your stance on why the residential > > also requires 0.10. Your statement is mostly correct BUT that bit of > > history was driven by a different cause. Remember way back to the > > end of the last decade when we were down to a resultant density of > > around 0.032 gpm/sf for residential sprinklers. A hoopla arouse > > regarding labs performing repeat tests on listed sprinklers that did > > not control the fire. This resulted in a change in the Expanded FOAM > > used by the labs to simulate furniture as part of UL 1626 for listing > > residential sprinklers. It turned out that the prior foam had heat > > release rates that varied greatly. This also resulted in a change in > > 13D/R that defined a minimum density of 0.05 gpm/sf. A secondary > > realization was that the test duration in UL1626 was only 10 > > minutes. This aligned perfectly with the goal of 13D but shall we > > say is lacking for a high rise condo. Although we had NO loses > > attributed to this issue we needed better correlation between the > > testing of the sprinkler and it application. A reasonable and > > immediate fix was to require a 0.1 gpm/sf to be applied concurrent to > > the listing criteria and apply which ever produced the greater > > demand. This provided assurance that we had adequate life safety AND > > property protection. > > > > Since then UL 1626 has been expanded to a 30 minute duration fire > > test but the hybrid spray-residential sprinkler approach is not going > > anywhere. > > > > You can have your box back but wear boots since I sometimes pile it > > kinda high. Can I be awarded a PhD (Pile it Higher & Deeper) > > > > Roland (happy with a BS - with not providing) > > > > On Apr 18, 2008, at 9:29 AM, Ed Kramer wrote: > > >> > > > Property protection is property protection, whether the sprinkler > > > used is a SSP or residential. That's the exact reason why a .10 gpm/ > > > sf density is required when using residential sprinklers. So even > > > though I don't think the 3,000 sf DA is required, I think it should > > > be. > > > > > > Exit soapbox, stage right. > > > Ed Kramer > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sprinklerforum mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > > > To Unsubscribe, send an email to:Sprinklerforum- > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > To Unsubscribe, send an email > to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > -- Ron Greenman at home.... _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
