I have tried a new flow test with two 2-1/2" openings flowing and the
pressure dropped off so that didn't work. I checked the coefficient and it
is a .9. The hydrant does have a rounded inlet. I don't have play pipes and
either does the city which is the only one that can do the test. I have
tried different heads and pipes and nothing will drop my GPM to below the 31
gpm we are short. 

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Cahill
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 11:08 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Water Supply

That was my first thought too.  Joe's been around and must have already done
this.  Maybe he's having a bad day or there is more to the story.  

To answer Joe's question plainly, no.  The but is I never meet an AHJ that
wouldn't give up 31gpm especially on a 500 hose allowance.  A fire pump is a
tough sell for 31 gpm especially when the hose isn't used until the FD
arrives and they bring a pump.  I'd though, if as an AHJ, would make sure
you really did practically max out pipe sizes.   

Chris Cahill, P.E.
Fire Protection Engineer
Sentry Fire Protection, Inc.
 
763-658-4483
763-658-4921 fax
 
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Mail: P.O. Box 69
        Waverly, MN 55390
 
Location: 4439 Hwy 12 SW
              Waverly, MN 55390

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Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 11:43 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Water Supply

If you plot it out on a curve you will have more than 1210 but at a
lower residual pressure.

Richard Carr, SET
Design Manager
Associated Sprinkler Co., LLC
336.373.3901 ext 217
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Burtell
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 11:58 AM
To: SprinklerFORUM
Subject: Water Supply

I have a project where the system demand with hose allowance exceeds the
city supply by 31 GPM. It's still under the curve but the city flow test
was
1210 and my system demand is 1241. Is there anything in the codes that
allows me to exceed the city capscity?

Best regards,

Joe Burtell, SET, CFPS
Burtell Fire Protection, Inc.
Phone: 406.652.7697
Fax: 406.652.7743
Cell: 406.861.4507

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