Joe,

Which calc program are you using? Most default to the loss values for
13. The Actual from the manufacturer's is often less. Almost cost me an
ESFR system one time...

R/

Matt 

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Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 12:22 PM
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Subject: RE: Water Supply

I have tried a new flow test with two 2-1/2" openings flowing and the
pressure dropped off so that didn't work. I checked the coefficient and
it is a .9. The hydrant does have a rounded inlet. I don't have play
pipes and either does the city which is the only one that can do the
test. I have tried different heads and pipes and nothing will drop my
GPM to below the 31 gpm we are short. 

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Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 11:08 AM
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Subject: RE: Water Supply

That was my first thought too.  Joe's been around and must have already
done this.  Maybe he's having a bad day or there is more to the story.  

To answer Joe's question plainly, no.  The but is I never meet an AHJ
that wouldn't give up 31gpm especially on a 500 hose allowance.  A fire
pump is a tough sell for 31 gpm especially when the hose isn't used
until the FD arrives and they bring a pump.  I'd though, if as an AHJ,
would make sure
you really did practically max out pipe sizes.   

Chris Cahill, P.E.
Fire Protection Engineer
Sentry Fire Protection, Inc.
 
763-658-4483
763-658-4921 fax
 
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        Waverly, MN 55390
 
Location: 4439 Hwy 12 SW
              Waverly, MN 55390

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Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 11:43 AM
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Subject: RE: Water Supply

If you plot it out on a curve you will have more than 1210 but at a
lower residual pressure.

Richard Carr, SET
Design Manager
Associated Sprinkler Co., LLC
336.373.3901 ext 217
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Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 11:58 AM
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Subject: Water Supply

I have a project where the system demand with hose allowance exceeds the
city supply by 31 GPM. It's still under the curve but the city flow test
was 1210 and my system demand is 1241. Is there anything in the codes
that allows me to exceed the city capscity?

Best regards,

Joe Burtell, SET, CFPS
Burtell Fire Protection, Inc.
Phone: 406.652.7697
Fax: 406.652.7743
Cell: 406.861.4507

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