Neither. 

When sprinklers are combined with standpipes, it is required that every 
sprinkler system connection to a standpipe be furnished with both a check valve 
and control valve (14).  Schematically, sprinklers are downstream of a 
standpipe, on the system side of the required sectional standpipe control 
valve.   If required standpipe hose valves are connected to a sprinkler system 
you've got the reciprical condition, which is only allowed in selected 
occupancies by code.  

To combine them, lay out your standpipe system - valves on each floor and 
risers.  Then feed the sprinklers off of the standpipe system:

1) With a separate valved connection at the main riser and a dedicated 
sprinkler riser to upper floors, or

2) Valved connection at each floor or,

3) A valved connection somewhere along the standpipe inter-connecting feed main 
ahead of the standpipe section control valves.  

Keep in mind that if you have 3 or more hose connections on any one floor 
supplied by a single standpipe, the demand is 750 GPM.  IF you have more than 
one standpipe riser, it's possibe to arrange them as 1+3 or 2+2 or 3+1, so you 
really need to do this thoughtfully.  Sounds like you might need another pair 
of eyes?

Steve Leyton
Protection Design & Consulting




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-----Original Message-----
From: "Keith Pepin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 08:22:54 
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Standpipe system


I seen that. This Bldg is a� single floor with 4 hose valves. Does this mean 
that the standpipe system connects to the sprinkler system riser, or can each 
hose valve individually connect to the sprinkler system mains?
 
 -----Original Message-----
 From: "John Drucker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 
 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 23:45:01
 To: <[email protected]>
 Subject: RE: Standpipe system
 
 
 Keith, Steve
 
 Take a look at 2006 IBC 905.3; "Standpipe systems are allowed to be combined
 with automatic sprinkler systems"
 
 Does that help you're situation ?
 
 John Drucker
 Fire Protection Subcode Official (AHJ)
 New Jersey
 
 
 -----Original Message-----
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] On Behalf Of Steve 
Leyton
 Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 4:00 PM
 To: [email protected]; [email protected]
 Subject: RE: Standpipe system
 
 The building code described specific conditions where hose valves can be
 connected to sprinkler systems, such as covered mall buildings.�� NFPA 14
 describes the requirements for design of standpipe systems; NFPA 13 same for
 sprinkler systems.�� Both standards prescribe the provisions for combined
 systems but IF you're requirement is for a standpipe system (as prescribed
 by CODE), then the answer is likely that the hose connections can't just be
 taken off the sprinkler piping.��� Unfortunately, it's not just a yes/no
 equation so the answer is conditional.
 
 Steve Leyton
 Protection Design & Consulting
 
 ________________________________
 
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Keith Pepin
 Sent: Fri 10/31/2008 8:26 AM
 To: [email protected]
 Subject: Standpipe system
 
 
 
 The Engineer of Record has indicated that standpipe hose valves shall be
 located in a building that we are designing. Of course he hasn't shown how
 they are to be connected, his note is to connect to the sprinkler system. In
 the past I have ran a separate main w/ a control valve from the riser to
 feed the hose valves. Can they be connected to the sprinkler mains?
 
 
 
 Thanks
 
 Keith
 
 
 
 
 
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