Mr. Fetter, you sure do ask a lot of stupid questions.

Rosanne Rosanna-Danna





Oh wait, it's the forum.    Thought it was sent just to me.   See below


Steve Leyton
Protection Design & Consulting
San Diego, CA

(The following is my opinion only and does not necessarily represent the 
opinion or intent of the NFPA 14 Technical Committee on Standpipe and Hose 
Systems.)


-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thom McMahon
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 11:05 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Standpipe system

Steve:

Just for my own clarification. When you have a single story building, and a 
Horizontal standpipe system with say 3 or 4 hose stations:

1. do you still need to test at 500 Gpm at the most Hyd. Remote hose station?
A. 14 says you flow the two most remote connections - note plural.   So if you 
have one at the top you can go down to the next.   Or furnish two.   Conflicts 
with the Building Code that says to furnish an additional connection for 
testing.   Which slightly conflicts with the change just approved in ROP that 
clarifies that it's not the intent to provide two connections at the roof.
 
2. If yes, do you install a second hose valve at that location, for flow 
testing?   
A. As noted above, per the Building Code you furnish a second connection for 
testing.

3. If yes, does that second valve count as an additional hose station? (Say if 
you had two required, and  added the third valve for testing, would you now 
have to calc. three? (750 Gpm instead of 500 Gpm?)
A. No.   If the only reason you furnish a second valve is for testing, it's 
invisible as far as impact on water supply, demand, calc's, etc.

4. Can a required hose station have more than one hose valve and still be 
considered a single hose station, even if the valves are of the same size? (Yes 
I've seen the ever popular 2-1/2" hose valve in a cabinet(see croker 2400 
series cabinets) with the 1-1/2" valved hand line. Since you calc. the 2-1/2" 
because of the greater flow and pressure I've just never considered them as 
separate hose stations. One is for one groups use, and the other is for the 
fire fighters.)
A.  Geez Thom, you couldn't come up with a more obtuse question?    Yes, see my 
response to #3.   And remember that the 750 GPM requirement doesn't kick in 
until you have three or more connections off of any one standpipe, not just on 
any one floor if served by more than one standpipe.


Thom McMahon, SET
Firetech, Inc.
2560 Copper Ridge Dr
P.O. Box 882136
Steamboat Springs, CO 80488
Tel:  970-879-7952
Fax: 970-879-7926



Subject: Re: Standpipe system


Keep in mind that if you have 3 or more hose connections on any one floor 
supplied by a single standpipe, the demand is 750 GPM.  IF you have more than 
one standpipe riser, it's possibe to arrange them as 1+3 or 2+2 or 3+1, so you 
really need to do this thoughtfully.  Sounds like you might need another pair 
of eyes?

Steve Leyton
Protection Design & Consulting





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