You have 820,000 sq. ft. and only one run-in?  Say it isn't so.

You have all your sprinklers and standpipes off a single system run-in.  Bad 
plan.  If there is a single impairment on that run-in your entire building is 
without any fire protection.  That's a major 6:00 news event waiting to happen. 
 

So how many risers are going to be on the manifold at that run-in, assuming 
light or ordinary hazard you'd have 16 risers at minimum off one run-in.  No, 
no, no, bad plan.  

FM has told us countless times that they prefer no more than 5 systems off one 
run-in, actually they prefer less than that when possible.

With multiple run-ins if one area's sprinkler system is down for whatever 
reason, you at lest have hose available from an adjacent area.  

You need to break up these systems and provide for multiple run-ins.


If the fire pump is necessary to make the systems work then I see no problem 
with submitting a primary and backup fire pump for this size and occupancy of a 
building.  I mean almost a million sq. ft and 10,000 people?  What's the value 
of one life versus a fire pump, for the legal award for one loss you could buy 
quite a few pumps.


Craig L. Prahl, CET   
Fire Protection Specialist
Mechanical Department
CH2MHILL
Lockwood Greene
1500 International Drive
PO Box 491, Spartanburg, SC  29304-0491
Direct - 864.599.4102
Fax - 864.599.8439
[email protected]
http://www.ch2m.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] 
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of å... ....
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 9:25 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: when is redundancy a good thing... 1 vs 2 water lead-ins to a building

scenario:

   820,000 square foot building
   4 levels open to each other.
   multiple occupancy, non-separated
   more than 10,000 occupants
   expected building service life:  75 years.
   Type I-B (IBC)  II (2 2 2) NFPA construction
   Code:  NFPA set


  the water supply to the sprinkerl lateral is looped and redundant, but
      after that, we are unique.   that is, we currently have on the
      design table,
             1 fire pump and
             1 fire lateral into the building.

My fear is not so much that the fire lateral or spool piece
      will fail, which in
      75 years is a possibilty with high chloride content soil,
      but that some other trade will break the lateral while
      digging around for their own system's maintenance.

Too conservative in the design choice of redundant
      fire pump and laterals?  Or is it normal and reasonable
      design for this occupancy and construction
      to have 1 sprinkler lead-in and 1 fire pump.




scot deal
excelsior fire engineering
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