I think the "as-built" term is a commonly used misnomer, somehow distinguishing the document used to install a system from some "extra" document you leave behind for the owner to use later. The proper term for "as-built" should be "corrected working plan" representing the completion of something that's required from the beginning. I'm not saying the as-built has to be cadded up like the original. NFPA 13 is silent on this. However, the drawing left behind has to be EXACTLY what is installed, and that redlined drawing has to have the AHJ approval in some manner (22.1.2). If pipe lengths or fittings have changed, then "corrected hydraulic calculations" are also required. Otherwise the installer has been paid but hasn't completed the job.
Perhaps our frequent AHJ contributors could weigh in on this one as well. Bill Brooks William N. Brooks, P.E. Brooks Fire Protection Engineering Inc. 372 Wilett Drive Severna Park, MD 21146 410-544-3620 Phone 410-544-3032 FAX 412-400-6528 Cell -------- Original Message -------- Subject: RE: Does NFPA 13 require as-built drawings From: "larryshulman" <[email protected]> Date: Wed, March 25, 2009 6:11 pm To: <[email protected]> Working plans are for the installation phase, while the "as-built" set is intended for use following the installation. That's why NFPA 13 is silent on the as-built requirement but it appears in NFPA 25. I agree this appears somewhat awkward, but I suppose there's logic in there somewhere. When you find it, so advise:) -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 2:45 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Does NFPA 13 require as-built drawings Okay, but NFPA 25 pertains to maintenance of systems, not installation. I understand NFPA is saying: IF there are as-builts, they will be stored, etc. Forest Wilson Project Manager Cherokee Fire Protection Co. 3195 Dayton Xenia Rd Ste 900 Dayton OH 45434 ph: 937-376-2333 fx: 614-455-4324 cell: 937-307-5647 Visit our blog: _www.cherokee-fire.blogspot.com_ (http://www.cherokee-fire.blogspot.com/) FIRE SPRINKLERS SAVE LIVES!! NOTICE: The information contained in this email is intended to be solely for the use of the named individual or entity to which it is directed and may contain information that is privileged or otherwise confidential. It is not intended for transmission to, or receipt by, anyone other than the named addressee (or a person authorized to deliver it to the named addressee). It should not be copied or forwarded to any unauthorized persons. If you have received this electronic mail transmission in error, please delete it from your system without copying or forwarding it, and notify the sender of the error by reply email or by calling Cherokee Fire Protection Co. at 888-347-3079 toll free. In a message dated 3/25/2009 5:44:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Actually you'll find it in NFPA 25 as follows: " 12.3.2 As-built system installation drawings, original acceptance test records, and device manufacturer's maintenance bulletins shall be retained to assist in the proper care of the system and its components." _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) **************Great Deals on Dell 15" Laptops - Starting at $479 (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220635228x1201407499/aol?redir=htt p:%2F%2Fad.doub leclick.net%2Fclk%3B213153654%3B34689672%3Bo) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
