George, I don't recall it being described as "big insulated panel box.' In fact I think Tony said he hadn't seen it. Go back a post or two. My thought is that if this thing is a factory manufactured device that is brought out on a truck, dropped off and plugged-in (even if it comes in large sub-assemblies that just plug into each other) then it's a big reefer and not a room or space.
On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 8:02 AM, George Church <[email protected]> wrote: > Sounds like it ought to be treated more like a walkin box to me, despite the > lack of walk-in. Its still a big insulated panel box full of product. > Since hte product is pretty non-flam, maybe local AHJ, etc would bless > omitting > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman > Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 10:11 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Walk-in cooler > > George, > > This is a dispensing unit and I doubt we'd dispense flammable liquids > from a similar device. Sprinklers in this case, I believe, would be > similar to sprinklering the inside of the entertainment center because > it's big or the dresser because it's a storage facility for textile > products in transit. That is, of course, if Tony's unit is just a big > refrigerator. > > On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 5:02 AM, George Church <[email protected]> wrote: >> Would we consider different treatment if it were stocked with combustibles >> or flammable liquids? >> >> glc >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ron > Greenman >> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 1:40 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: Walk-in cooler >> >> Tony, >> >> I like the idea that it may be a large appliance. We don't sprinkler >> the Coke machine or the Red Bull machine. Is this thing constructed on >> site or is it brought in as a unit. If the latter and since you can't >> walk in I'd call it an appliance and not a room (or space). >> >> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 8:15 PM, A.P.Silva <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Haven't seen the cooler. Someone asked me whether it should be >> sprinklered. >>> I will have to find out, but meanwhile I'm guessing it is stocked from >>> behind, the same as milk coolers in stores. Cooler inside or outside? Not >>> sure if I understand the question and its significance. Being a beer >> cooler, >>> it would be cooler inside than outside. >>> >>> Tony >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Todd >> Williams >>> Sent: April 23, 2009 2:35 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: RE: Walk-in cooler >>> >>> Is it stocked from the front or is there a walkway behind the pickers? >>> Cooler inside or outside? >>> >>> >>> >>> At 04:17 PM 4/23/2009, you wrote: >>>>An update as I've additional information. >>>> >>>>The cooler is 30' long 4' wide and 7' high. It has glass doors and open >>>>metal shelves. So you grab the beer closest to you and the next one > slides >>>>forward. When stocked full, there is hardly any empty space inside. You >>>>might see similar ones in stores that sell liqour. Does it have to be >>>>sprinklered? >>>> >>>>Tony >>>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: [email protected] >>>>[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Forest >>> Wilson >>>>Sent: April 23, 2009 12:48 PM >>>>To: [email protected] >>>>Subject: Re: Walk-in cooler >>>> >>>>They can also shut down the cooler and use for general storage. >>>>I saw one after it burned. It was like a crushed can. >>>>Forest Wilson >>>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: "A.P.Silva" <[email protected]> >>>> >>>>Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 11:16:20 >>>>To: <[email protected]> >>>>Subject: RE: Walk-in cooler >>>> >>>> >>>>Exactly, though one difference may be in this case, the storage quantity >>> may >>>>be more. I think this is a grey area in NFPA. We provide heads in walk-in >>>>freezers and coolers. But what are the chances for a fire inside these? >>>>Haven't heard of any, but I suppose there could be an electrical fault >> that >>>>could start a fire. >>>> >>>>Tony >>>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: [email protected] >>>>[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chris >> Cahill >>>>Sent: April 23, 2009 11:02 AM >>>>To: [email protected] >>>>Subject: RE: Walk-in cooler >>>> >>>>Doesn't sound much different than the milk cooler or pop cooler or the >>>>freezer isle in a grocery or Qwik Mart. Never saw sprinklers in these. >>>>Argument is it's large appliance. >>>> >>>>Chris Cahill, P.E. >>>>Fire Protection Engineer >>>>Sentry Fire Protection, Inc. >>>> >>>>763-658-4483 >>>>763-658-4921 fax >>>> >>>>Email: [email protected] >>>> >>>>Mail: P.O. Box 69 >>>> Waverly, MN 55390 >>>> >>>>Location: 4439 Hwy 12 SW >>>> Waverly, MN 55390 >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: [email protected] >>>>[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of A.P.Silva >>>>Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 11:14 AM >>>>To: [email protected] >>>>Subject: Walk-in cooler >>>> >>>>Generally the industry practice (from what I know) is to provide >> sprinklers >>>>in walk-in coolers and freezers. The cooler I am looking at is a beer >>> cooler >>>>approx. 30 feet long, 10 feet deep and 7 feet high. It is full with >>> shelves, >>>>and no one could "walk-in". Would it have to be sprinklered? Anyone has >>> come >>>>across a similar situation or have any opinions? >>>> >>>>Tony >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>Sprinklerforum mailing list >>>>http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >>>>For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] >>>> >>>>To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] >>>>(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>Sprinklerforum mailing list >>>>http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >>>>For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] >>>> >>>>To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] >>>>(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>Sprinklerforum mailing list >>>>http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >>>>For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] >>>> >>>>To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] >>>>(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>Sprinklerforum mailing list >>>>http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >>>>For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] >>>> >>>>To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] >>>>(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>Sprinklerforum mailing list >>>>http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >>>>For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] >>>> >>>>To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] >>>>(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) >>> >>> Todd G. 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