I've done work in one of the large pharma's research facility. Everything I have seen has been srpinkelred
At 08:12 AM 5/14/2009, you wrote: >Being a sprinkler guy, I don't know that many pharmaceuticals that aren't >sprinklered since we only hang around ones that are! > >However, I can relay that back about 25 years ago we retrofit a 100,000 sf >existing mfg building on a large pharmaceutical campus that had a 30,000 SF >clean room area (DIPA) for a rather phenomenal amount of money. > >The largest hazard was the plastic containers, but the decision to sprinkler >the building came after a small plant renovation project erupted into a >fireball when some flammables deposited (inadvertently)as a coating caught >from a welder. I don't recall there being fatalities, but certainly dirty >underwear for anyone within a 100 feet of it. Management realized the risk >to life in addition to the experienced (and what could have been much worse >potentially) BI. Once they decided to do it, there was no pushback on cost, >suggestions to omit AS in any areas, etc. believe me, retrofitting operating >sterile mfg operation ain't cheap. 3 levels of gowning, so you lost almost >an hour for a p. All material washed down with alcohol in an airlock, >washdown the scissors, power machine, pretty much everything but the >blueprints. Pull the tape measure out completely and swab it down as it >retracts. > >In this same building a few years later, a change in the machinery had us >installing a head with exposed piping, SS316, maybe 10' with a couple 90's, >and our NTE price was $5k. Brought it in for $3500 and they were happy. > >So while this isn't exactly what you asked for, here's a drugmaker that >originally elected to NOT sprinkler in I think the 1960's, had an OOPS that >could have been a lot worse, and when they realized the exposure, they >didn't hesitate to do all it took to bring it up to the level of safety that >should have been in place originally- at a much lower price. > >The cleaning crew that followed our weekend shift in the sterile area missed >a little bit and they had to dump the first shift following's production; I >believe it was $250,000 of drugs down the drain. Expensive cleaning crew QC, >eh? > >They're smart if they learn from the mistakes of others, and save some money >and do it right the first time. > >George Church >Rowe Sprinkler > >-----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] >[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Frans Stoop >Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 8:27 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Reasons to not sprinkler a pharmaceutical plant > >Dear colleagues, > >Here is a peculiar question: >A pharmaceutical company is planning to build a new plant with >laboratories for production and quality control, offices and an >underground parking level. >The top floor is for HVAC. >The main process is waterbased, although, like any other laboratory, >there small quantities of flammable liquids present. >The flammable liquids will be stored in fire cabinets. >We already convinced the company's management that sprinkler is the >way to go for the obvious reasons: life safety, preservation of >property, continuity of operations, etc. >Maybe we advised them too good: >Now the management wonders why not all pharmaceutical plants are >sprinklered throughout. > >I'm composing a list of unsprinklered pharmaceutical facilities with >the reason why the decision makers in concern have chosen not to sprinkler. >Can you help me with examples of such sites, (parts of) plants or >rooms and the reasoning? > >By the way, this question from our client is not as peculiar as it >looks like at first sight. >It is just a known method of decision making. >It might lead to the decision to protect some rooms or parts of the >building otherwise (with gas, pre-action sprinkler e.g.). > >Frans Stoop >TOS architecture & fire protection >Netherlands <[email protected]> >Tel. +31-24-324 0112 > >_______________________________________________ >Sprinklerforum mailing list >http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > >To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] >(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > >_______________________________________________ >Sprinklerforum mailing list >http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > >To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] >(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) Todd G. Williams, PE Fire Protection Design/Consulting Stonington, Connecticut www.fpdc.com 860.535.2080 _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
