The other point is that a lot of the big pharma operations are HPR 
accounts and the insurance companies require sprinklers. I'm of 
course speaking about this side of the pond.


At 09:19 AM 5/14/2009, you wrote:
>In 25 years I've never worked on a pharm plant that wasn't fully 
>protected.  Whether by size or other criteria, the building code 
>generally will require full sprinkler protection.
>
>With the typical mixed bag of storage, chemicals, and other 
>hazardous processes, I'd be real curious under what circumstances a 
>facility would be exempt from being protected.  I'd like to see that 
>Hazards and Codes Analysis.  Of course if its occupancy is 
>classified wrong by the A/E, accepted by an unknowing AHJ and never 
>questioned by an owner who enjoys saving a few bucks, anything is 
>possible.   Often the error occurs when an A/E finds there are no 
>flammable or combustible chemicals in the building.  They quickly 
>attach an F-2 occupancy (low hazard) and now we have no 
>sprinklers.  What they fail to understand or question is if there is 
>any chemicals which are toxic, explosion hazards, oxidizers, 
>etc.  I've caught several that started out this way. Then when I 
>point out the wrong path of occupancy determination and state that 
>sprinklers will be required, of course it's fire protection that's 
>trying to tank the project.  The fact that a major screw-up has just 
>been averted o
>  ften goes unnoticed.  And then we repeat the dance on the next 
> project.  <sigh>
>
>Even if the chemicals used are not flammable or combustible, many 
>are health hazards in raw form or have other hazardous 
>characteristics and drive the facilities into an "F-1" or "H" 
>occupancy category which mandates sprinkler protection throughout.
>
>Now we are talking about the IBC codes, codes in the Netherlands may 
>be different of course.
>
>
>
>
>Craig L. Prahl, CET
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [email protected] 
>[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Frans Stoop
>Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 8:27 PM
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Reasons to not sprinkler a pharmaceutical plant
>
>Dear colleagues,
>
>Here is a peculiar question:
>A pharmaceutical company is planning to build a new plant with 
>laboratories for production and quality control, offices and an 
>underground parking level.
>The top floor is for HVAC.
>The main process is waterbased, although, like any other laboratory, 
>there small quantities of flammable liquids present.
>The flammable liquids will be stored in fire cabinets.
>We already convinced the company's management that sprinkler is the 
>way to go for the obvious reasons: life safety, preservation of 
>property, continuity of operations, etc.
>Maybe we advised them too good:
>Now the management wonders why not all pharmaceutical plants are 
>sprinklered throughout.
>
>I'm composing a list of unsprinklered pharmaceutical facilities with 
>the reason why the decision makers in concern have chosen not to sprinkler.
>Can you help me with examples of such sites, (parts of) plants or 
>rooms and the reasoning?
>
>By the way, this question from our client is not as peculiar as it 
>looks like at first sight.
>It is just a known method of decision making.
>It might lead to the decision to protect some rooms or parts of the 
>building otherwise (with gas, pre-action sprinkler e.g.).
>
>Frans Stoop
>TOS architecture & fire protection
>Netherlands <[email protected]>
>Tel. +31-24-324 0112
>
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