Jim, Just to clarify,are the barrels filled or empty?Your original post stated "wine barrel storage" not wine stored in barrels.Empty would be a LOT of wood and free flowing air(like idle pallet storage).
---- Jim Johnston <[email protected]> wrote: > I agree with you there is a lot of wood present and a lot of air spaces. > NFPA defines this commodity as a Class II, if we open the box a little and > just say there is a way to secure these barrels to a conventional wood > pallet and floor stack, it still falls under the criteria of a Class II in > accordance with Section 5.6.3.2 (2007) if I'm not missing something. This > scenario has a whole lot more wood in it than the cradle method. If this > arrangement were indeed classified as rack it would have to be portable > rack, my problem then becomes the aisle - it is only 3 feet assuming I had 4 > feet my density more than doubles to a .32 in accordance with Table > 16.2.1.3.2. > > The more I look at this I think the best option would be to treat it as > racked storage, that way there shouldn't be any second guessing. Thanks for > your input. > > Jim Johnston > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Arthur Tiroly [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 12:08 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: Wine Barrel Storage > > What I envision is a lot of wood and a lot of air spaces surrounding the > wood barrels and cradles. It seems much more than OH2 storage hazard. Not as > bad as pallet storage but plenty of surfaces to burn when 18ft high. Not as > bad as whiskey barrel warehouse. No answers just more to think about. > > Arthur Tiroly > ATCO Fire Protection Design > Tiroly and Associates > 3300 King Ave > Cleveland, OH 44114 > 216-621-8899 > 216-570-7030 cell > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jim Johnston > Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 2:14 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Wine Barrel Storage > > Greetings All: > > > > Has anybody on this forum designed systems for wine barrel storage? I'm > guessing the Californians have. Barrels are in horizontal position, stored > on a cradle, cradle follows curvature of barrel, cradle / barrel is stacked > 6 high total height of 18'. There is a 6" clearance between stacks i.e top > of barrel to bottom of barrel, small transverse and longitudinal space. My > gut re-action would be considering this palletized storage versus rack. > When the barrel is picked up so is its corresponding cradle - that's where I > come up with palletize. Alcohol less than 20% in wood barrels is a class > II. > > > > Any input? > > > > Jim Johnston, P.E. > > Fire Protection Engineer > > Inland Fire Protection, Inc > > 1100 Ahtanum Road > > Yakima, WA 98903 > > Phone 509-248-4471 > > Fax 509-248-1180 > > [email protected] > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
