As I read this it seems to say that the same rules apply as before but
to prove the system size I have to use an approved computer program.
Now I'm no math whiz but I can calculate the capacity of a bunch of
tubes (pie is square times length equals cubic X, convert X cubes to
cubic feet, convert the smelly feet to gallons, add up all the
different sized tubes and....). Time consuming but why do I need a
multi-thousand dollar program for a task that I can do with paper and
pencil?

On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 3:57 PM, Roland
Huggins<[email protected]> wrote:
> nothing changed (except for dwelling units).  The 500 gal w/o QOD or
> 750 gal limits still apply.  The timed approach is just for exceeding
> them.   As for dwelling units, it is not 15 sec regardless of size.
>
> Roland
>
> On Jun 17, 2009, at 3:44 PM, Ron Greenman wrote:
>
>> So what drove the change from the old way of working trip times (under
>> 500 gal. all was good, 500-750 gals. and either 60 seconds or QOD,
>> over 750 gals. QOD and all is good)? was it due to systems failing due
>> to too long trip times or was it a way to sell an expensive computer
>> program? If due to failures did it happen in a cross section of
>> buildings or in certain types of buildings and if the latter is it
>> necessary to treat all systems equally? Certainly requirements to trip
>> test everything to 60 seconds in years past was based on local
>> requirements arrived at collectively by AHJs because they wanted it
>> and it was complied with enough to become the usual thing to do until
>> it became codified--first locally and then in 13. Where's the data
>> that supported this costly change at point in this migration from what
>> 13 said to what it says now? Enquiring minds want to know.
>>
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