Roland, Thanks. This is one of those circumstances that started out as a simple verify hydraulic calculations verses the water supply. I got the drawings and found out that the building was a mixed-use occupancy, mercantile first level with apartments above. The architect had the apartments as 13R with the merc at 13. So I verified the calculations based on NFPA 13 design criteria, stated that the building would be a full 13, and that a standpipe would most likely need to be added. Now the contractor has asked if he can eliminate the standpipe based on FDC location. I wasn't sure, so the questions. I'm now in the process of writing a letter that will state that no it can not be eliminated based on FDC location. As well, I'm not an engineer and as such cannot give sound engineering advice. Thanks to Thom for the IBC reference material, Steve for his insight, and Richard for his input.
Bob -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Roland Huggins Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 10:50 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Standpipe FDC Access Parking usually does not impede FD access but I'll let the AHJ's address that. As Thom addressed earlier, if you physically can not reach a portion of the exterior (say one side of the building is on the water or the side of a cliff) then only the other three sides are looked at. Roland On Jun 25, 2009, at 9:38 AM, Bob Knight wrote: > This next part is completely hypothetical on my part because I don't > have > all the information in front of me. What if the lower potion of the > building doesn't have fire department access? Say that it's a > parking area > for the residents and there is no FD access. Then the FDC is routed > to the > east side which has the highest level of floor occupancy 23' above > the FD > access. Would a standpipe be required in this situation? > > Thanks, > BK > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 10:30 AM > To: AFSA Forum > Subject: Re: Standpipe FDC Access > > Not at all. I'm agreeing that a standpipe is required by the letter > of the > code, and that the FDC should be on whatever side or access lane the > FD > wants it to be, regardless of height. > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Bob Knight" <[email protected]> > > Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 09:04:51 > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: RE: Standpipe FDC Access > > > Steve, >> From one addict to another, are you saying that if the FD is ok >> with the > FDC > on the east side of the building (23' access height), then the > standpipe is > not required? > Thanks, > BK > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> ] On Behalf Of Steve > Leyton > Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 9:49 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: Standpipe FDC Access > Wherever the Fire Official requests that it be located. > > Steve L. > On vacation but still checking e-mail because I'm an addicted loser > and I > admit it. > ________________________________ > From: [email protected] on behalf of Bob Knight > Sent: Thu 6/25/2009 8:44 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Standpipe FDC Access > > > I have a situation where there is a four story building that is 33' > to the > lowest level of fire department vehicle access on the west side. > The east > side of the building is only 23' above the lowest level of fire > department > vehicle access. My question is if the FDC is located on the east > side of > the building can the standpipe requirement be eliminated since the > 23' is > less than the 30' required by IBC 905.3.1? > Thanks, > Bob Knight, CET > 1660 Hill Rd > Melba, Idaho 83641 > (208) 318-3057 > (208) 495-2057 fax > [email protected] > www.firebyknight.com > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > <http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum> > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > > database 4188 (20090625)__________ > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > http://www.eset.com <http://www.eset.com> <http://www.eset.com/ > <http://www.eset.com/> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > <http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum> > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 4188 (20090625)__________ > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > http://www.eset.com <http://www.eset.com> > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
