John,

I'm looking at one of those now. A designer has sent me a set of plans 
for review and is just incensed that I would question the ability of a 
side beam bracket in a 4x12 to properly support the weight of a 6" main. 
He was equally upset when I asked if he had information from the 
structural engineer to endorse the same member accepting a horizontal 
force of almost 800 pounds in lateral seismic loading.

He told me stuff about my mom that I never knew.
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John Drucker wrote:
> George,
>
> Some of us do. The 20006 IBC (Chapter 16 - 1602.1, 1606.2 1604.2) does
> include provisions with regards to sprinkler piping loading. There have been
> times when the loading of a structural member has been questioned and where
> the structural engineer has responded by "beefing" up the connection. If the
> fire inspector isn’t picking it up the building inspector sure should be.
>
>
> John Drucker, CET
> Fire Protection Subcode Official 
> Fire/Building/Electrical Inspector
> Fire Marshals Office
> Borough of Red Bank, NJ
>
>   
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of George Church
> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 5:03 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Trapeze hangers?
>
> I saw a WalMart renov in York where the 6" main was c-clamped to the bottom
> "wave" of those bar joists that have Z purlin material instead of angle iron
> as a bottom chord.
>
> I moved over a few feet so as not to be walking underneath it. How can
> anyone look at that and not raise a question?
>
> glc
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of J. Scott
> Mitchell
> Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 11:22 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Trapeze hangers?
>
> I saw an aircraft hangar once that had 8" bulk mains hung from this light
> weight construction.  The sprinkler contractor and structural engineer put
> their heads together before hand.  The result was strut channel trapezes
> spaced 8 ft apart and spanning four z-purlins.  
>
> The real headache comes when there is no engineer and the GC buys a
> pre-engineered building from a building company who says the warranty is
> void if you hang anything from the purlins. 
>
> J. Scott Mitchell, P.E.
>
> --- On Tue, 7/14/09, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
>
> It's very well possible.   It all depends on the size and gauge of the
> structural member.  More and more installations are using pre-engineered
> buildings which are typically of a light weight construction and not really
> designed for much static loading from the steel.  
>
> Craig L. Prahl, CET   
> Fire Protection Specialist
>
>
>
>
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