"He told me stuff about my mom that I never knew." I apologize for not being on topic but that's just way too funny!!
Brian Harris FDFP INC. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Parsley Consulting Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 10:16 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Structural concerns John, I'm looking at one of those now. A designer has sent me a set of plans for review and is just incensed that I would question the ability of a side beam bracket in a 4x12 to properly support the weight of a 6" main. He was equally upset when I asked if he had information from the structural engineer to endorse the same member accepting a horizontal force of almost 800 pounds in lateral seismic loading. He told me stuff about my mom that I never knew. PARSLEY CONSULTING Ken Wagoner, SET 760.745.6181 voice 760.745.0537 fax [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> e-mail www.ParsleyConsulting.com <http://www.ParsleyConsulting.com> website John Drucker wrote: > George, > > Some of us do. The 20006 IBC (Chapter 16 - 1602.1, 1606.2 1604.2) does > include provisions with regards to sprinkler piping loading. There > have been times when the loading of a structural member has been > questioned and where the structural engineer has responded by > "beefing" up the connection. If the fire inspector isn't picking it up the building inspector sure should be. > > > John Drucker, CET > Fire Protection Subcode Official > Fire/Building/Electrical Inspector > Fire Marshals Office > Borough of Red Bank, NJ > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of George > Church > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 5:03 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: Trapeze hangers? > > I saw a WalMart renov in York where the 6" main was c-clamped to the > bottom "wave" of those bar joists that have Z purlin material instead > of angle iron as a bottom chord. > > I moved over a few feet so as not to be walking underneath it. How can > anyone look at that and not raise a question? > > glc > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of J. > Scott Mitchell > Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 11:22 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: Trapeze hangers? > > I saw an aircraft hangar once that had 8" bulk mains hung from this > light weight construction. The sprinkler contractor and structural > engineer put their heads together before hand. The result was strut > channel trapezes spaced 8 ft apart and spanning four z-purlins. > > The real headache comes when there is no engineer and the GC buys a > pre-engineered building from a building company who says the warranty > is void if you hang anything from the purlins. > > J. Scott Mitchell, P.E. > > --- On Tue, 7/14/09, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> > > It's very well possible. It all depends on the size and gauge of the > structural member. More and more installations are using > pre-engineered buildings which are typically of a light weight > construction and not really designed for much static loading from the steel. > > Craig L. 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